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  • ggtruckie
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    What should be the minium requirements to remain active?

    how many drills?
    how long should it take them to get FFI/II?
    How many duty nights should they run?
    what about administrative stuff, there are a few of us carrying that burden should these people be forced to help out?
    Fundraising?


    if this is gonna work lines have to be drawn

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  • charbo
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    I thought that I was the only one with this problem. When ever I am at the station it feels more like a fire club than a Fire Department. No one wants to train or do anything to improve the department. I feel that these people just want to wear a fire coat and tell their friends and family that they are on the Fire Department, just so that they feel important.
    I have talked to the Chief about this and many other issues, and he usually agrees with me and say's things should be changed. Nothing happens and actually he is just as bad as the rest of them.
    Recently I have applied for a full time position on a Fire Department that will take me away from this area. If I were to get the job, it will be nice not having to deal with that anymore. I will then constantly worry about my best friend that I will be leaving behind to deal with iton his own.
    This is a tough battle and I wish everyone luck. Always train and stay safe.

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  • captstanm1
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    There you go Greg...Be a leader... Be a Trail Blazer... Remember way back when.....some of us said then that there needed to be a check off system to ride the apparatus for new folks...

    Take the bull by the horns... I am sure you will get the support from the Chief. I had a long conversation with him. Seems to be doing ok,.,,,,

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  • Smoke_N_Flames
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    My department has a BIG problem with this. We are all volunteer and only about five out of twenty five bother to show up for training, and one of those five is a junior ff. I'm getting pretty fed up with the ones that only show up for business meetings and calls but never come to the work parties or training. I guess this is a problem every department faces. Its becoming a BIG safety issure here. We are facing more and more MVA's, vehicle fires, and structure fire potential.

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  • Lt.111577
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    The "DINOSAURS" must go. If they don't want to train, learn, participate, they need to go. This does not only go for the older generation. The ones who just want a coat, put a red light on there car, or just to say they are a firefighter should go to. This job is for real whether full-time, part-time, or volunteer, all should be held very high in standards. All should be able to perform, and should perform on a regular basis. Prove to yourself and others that you can do the job. If they don't want to, c-ya bye.

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  • E-23
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    You did not over react. Sounds like a lot of those TV watchers are in the fire company to be in a club, not to be firefighters. Being a firefighter is a big responsibility and you have to know what to do and how to do it right. Slackers who seem to not care can get themselves, you, and/or victims hurt or even killed. If your officers are not doing anything about the situation, replace them. (I don't know if you hold elections for your officers or not, but there is more than one way to remove an incompitent officer.) Also, see if a company policy can be made that says something to the effect of if you don't drill, you are no longer part of the company. These suggestions sound harsh, but people's lives are at stake, not a few individual's feelings.

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  • ggtruckie
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    Well I guess I let most of my steam off through this post. I am working on a rookie book so that when we get new members in the station they will have to complete certain training requirements in the station as well as getting thier FF I/II. To be able to ride. Well I am sure I will make alot of people mad, but thats what I do best.

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  • SmokeJockey
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    When did you start hanging out at my station house. Maybe we just have the same problems! We got this one guy who never shoes up for a structure fire, HELL he didn't show at the one across the street from his house. The general concensus is that he's scared and lazy. But if we have a Bomb Threat or a wreck, you know something with a lot of exposure to the public w/o a lot of work involved, you guessed it he's there. This guy has an EXCUSE though, he has a bad shoulder. Yep, every time we need some work done he has shoulder pains, especially when trying to don an air pack! guys like this are in it for the glory and not the job itself. For them it's something to DO not something to BE.

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  • captstanm1
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    ggtruckie..... U go boy.... some of the things you say sound very very familiar.....hmmmmmm...could it be that you got them or heard them from someone before (perhaps when you were younger??)

    You are right....you wanted to learn...and did..

    Get rid of the Dead wood...

    PS...how do ya like Trey's XMAS present...hehehehehehehe

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  • ggtruckie
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    Many times when we get on the scence i see fireifhgters who get orders to crib the vehicle (not the best job in the world but one that requires knowledge) tell a lesser firefighter to do it. because they dont want to. they just want to go down the road in a big red truck with flashing lights and make alot of noise so they can go to work and tell a bunch of BS stories about "everything" they did on the call last night. makes me think they're just here for a free ride.

    If they dont wanna do the job well i will be happy to show them the door.


    I am not sure what thier problem is, though i have noticed some irregularities in training. which i have seen creates a problem from time to time. some newer firefighters will try to help teach the ones that just walked in the door but end up showing them the wrong way or just confusing them.

    I am not the safest person in the world of firefighting but these people scare me, not cause they are aggresive, but because they just dont have a clue, nor a desire to get one.

    i like having alot of people in the company we have been able to pretty much switch from the response from home to being staffed every night usually with 2 rigs. But it is not worth having alot of people if they dont know what they are doing.

    Captstanm1;

    Yes, LOL ( i shouldnt laugh) i remember that, but you have to admit when our junior company was around we wanted to be firemen and learned alot from all of the officers and firefighters there. When we came into the station we were expected to clean and we did, now these punks leave a discusting mess all over thes station. but that is second to being able to do the job.

    PS

    yea the pizza was pretty good. worked off the tower (my favorite rig) that night we were right out the door with both the tower and the wagon, with my partner in crime we were able to complete the entire primary search before a hoseline made it to the door. the wagon crew also put a good knock on the fire. but we had an awsome crew that night on both the wagon and the tower.

    [ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: ggtruckie ]

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  • captstanm1
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    E229lt That is a good one.....and the Captains comeback is great...

    I hope your XMAS is ok....Gob Bless you brother...(drop me an email with your address..would love to send you a personal card)

    Now..on with the subject...GG...i figured as much....hmmmmm..i looked at the roster...wonder who it is? Why are they there? Could their lack of enthusiasm be a result of frustration with some one (could be plural) in administration. How old are they? Could be a lack of maturity....some folks do stupid things....even me.... and then they wake up. Hmmmmmmm..ggtruckie...remember that evening you were supposed to be at duty and had to "leave" for a moment???? When you returned you "slept" through a call.... hehehehe... That was before you woke up...hehehehe.... Again...you have matured and are a good firefighter and get better. Have lots of respect for you... Get em in gear...motivate em.....help em understand and mature.

    Merry XMAS...Stan

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  • ggtruckie
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    Well i dont see them doing the Rambo or John Wayne approach (those two got off the couch) they dont want to do anything, but if they do, it better be thier way.

    and it is not the one across the river, closer to home.

    I think we can sell the Q's we have enough whinners at the station for a siren.

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  • MFD
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    we have a problem with training at our station.
    atleast once a year we have pump training (we get 4-5 guys to show up out of 15)same with tanker training. Then the county has usually free(if not free its less than 50 bucks) training or seminars. If we're lucky we'll get 2 get 2 guys to show up once in awhile for that. I've talked to chief about this problem. he says what can i (cause we're volunteers) if i tick them off they'll quit and we're thin on people at fire scenes. I understand people have stuff to do and things come up. Grant it training isn't always fun and you get to play around. But the way i look at it 3-4 hours of training might save your butt in the next fire.

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  • Lewiston2Capt
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    Could always come back wit the response, "I have always found it quite easy to spell TEAM without "U".

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  • E229Lt
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    Stan,

    When you throw the "THERE'S NO "I" IN TEAM" at them, they usually respond with:

    "YOU CAN'T SPELL TEAM WITHOUT "ME"

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