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  • Opinions and Comments on the Detroit Fire Department Crisis.

    If you have read the articles about the problems with The Detroit Fire Department, what do you think? What are some solutions? Remember OPINIONS are like ********! You know what I mean!

  • #2
    It sounds like the first thing they need to do is change the way they promote people. Everyone is not officer material. At least everyone on my department isn't.

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    • #3
      The worst thing about the problems in Detroit, is that it's not only Detroit. Departments throughout the U.S. (mine included) are shorthanded, working with outdated or broken equipment, and fill out reports only to find out they aren't getting to the people that need to see them.
      Let's see, broken A/C in the rigs, yep got that. Broken hydrants, yep, just replaced 20% of ours because of that problem. Lack of maintenance, yep, can't afford to buy filters till next year. Vehicles OOS more than in service. No four man engines, lucky to get more than 2 guys on half of our rigs. People dying because of closed companies...sadly yes. Fortunately our contract calls for open companies, so we got those closed companies reopened, although not 4 man staffing. This isn't just a Detroit problem, it's nationwide, and standards aren't the way to go anymore, laws are. Because the beancounters don't know anything about how a fire dept works. You can plead standards, standards, standards, but until something unfortunate happens nothing will change!

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      • #4
        Detroit is a disaster. As a longtime firefighter who has always been a keen observer of the fire service this ranks up with the worst departmental screwups in the last 50 years. I will start off by telling everyone that the heads of Detroit city government are among the most inept in the country. Thye elected leaders there have allowed a once thriving city to fall among the trashheaps of America. It has been a citywide problem.

        Detroits fire department shares a tremendous load of blame fro the poor overall management of the department. From the Commissioner, to the Chief, to the Union, all the way down to the mechanics, things have been allowed to go to hell. The IAFF is a proud org of which I have been a member for a number of years, but the union in this case has to accept the fact that they were part of the problem. If you look at the leadership of the department they are all political flunkies, drug up from the dregs of inner city Detroit to serve in the administrations of crooked mayors. The dregs have now allowed things to deteriorate to an unacceptable situation. The way that they promote people is absurd and insures that the best will leave because they will be stuck in a position until they outlive the next guy. Equipment is by far the worst I have seen from an urban department. Chicago, Philly, FDNY, Las Vegas, Houston, etc. seem to be able to provide services. The firefighters there, and I know a number of them, have tried but have failed in the past to rectify items. Keep Trying. Here's hoping that no one else loses a life because of Detorits inadequate staffing, equipment, training and poor advancement policies.

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        • #5
          Is the city looking at a lack of funds or is it just a major screw up on the cities part?? I dont know for sure. If it is just the staffing they should try to put more students through the fire school. I dont really see how staffing could be that big a deal. There are alot of us that want to get hired to work in the cities. I think that I read that there were 600 people who applied for jobs in the city with only 40 of them making the cut for the fire school. I am not saying lower the standers, there are so many qualified students just admit a few more. I dont know if its the answer but its a start-right??

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          D. Hager
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          West Trail Amb. Svc
          Mayville FD

          REAL HEROES WEAR SCBA'S NOT CAPES

          We will eat smoke and pull out bodies as long as they continue to build them. Just once I would like them to ask one of us how to build it!!

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          • #6
            I agree with FDJFF. The leaders in Detroit are the most inept I have ever seen. Detroit is a failed city and it angers me to say that because I am from the Detroit area. There are no positives to living in the city of Detroit. You pay high taxes and recieve substandard city services form them. The public schools are among the worst in the country, the DPW is a mess (I think the DPW at one time owned fewer pieces of snow removal equipment than Atlanta), the police department has had an outbreak of questioanble shootings, ambulances are scarce, and now the fire department is under fire.

            Am I blaming the FF that work for DFD? NO. To me, it is amazing that they can do the job and live with themselves. I personally don't believe that i could work in the DFD. Just imagine how the crew of Ladder 7 felt as they pulled up to that appartment fire with a ladder that hey have been pleading to get fixed. I would not want to be in their shoes. And the training they recieve seems horrbile. Thank god that the FF have been able to not get thenselves killed.

            Reading these Detroit News articles make me sick. All I can hope is that this series will shake up the DFD. Something drastic needs to be done and it starts with the top officials.

            Eric

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            • #7
              I agree wholeheartedly with fdjjff, the union although all powerfull still must take some of the blame here. Detroit for years has been a disaster and needs cooperation from all sides to rectify this situation.

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              • #8
                You guys are skating on thin ice. This was discussed in a previous thread and when someone suggested the union may share some of the blame... well the threads been closed.

                But having said that, let me say this. There is plenty of blame go around.

                And I believe there's plenty of good firefighters in the motor city FD that are willing to and can solve these problems.

                Get the beauracracy (in the city and the FD and the union administration) out of their way and let them do it.

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                • #9
                  What type of apparatus does Detroit use?

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                  • #10
                    mongofire, if the previous thread was closed because someone suggested that the Detroit union might be partially to blame, well then that's a damn shame. It's only an opinion, after all.

                    Anyway, it seems to me that the whole system, from the apparent disregard for officers' written complaints by the administration, down to improperly trained or oriented mechanics and vehicle operators, to the frankly stupid promotion-by-seniority system...this department needs a major, and I mean MAJOR overhaul.

                    Maybe the citizens of Detroit, now that this is in the press, will step up to the plate and demand the fire protection that they deserve as American citizens and taxpayers.

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                    • #11
                      So how do we help these guys a call to Dateline NBC...worked for KC and Houston, 60 Minutes, send them our old trucks that work, do weekends at the shops, volunteer to cover shifts, buy them smoke detectors, bake sale, name it?

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                      • #12
                        Some people better be getting fired. Anyone who doesn't care enough to keep their firefighters and community safe, doesn't need to be working in the fire business.

                        By reading the story here at firehouse, my departments 2 pumper, 1 tanker, 1 grass/medical unit has better working equipment then Detroit. Shame on the officials involved.

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                        • #13
                          Just to clarify, the earlier thread was closed because people went off-topic and began attacking each other harshly.

                          Carry on,
                          WebTeam

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                          • #14
                            any time you get the media involved, the issue gets a larger audience. If this type of problem occurs at some level in many departments accross the US, then I think it should be brought to everyone's attention. Only then will the general public begin to wonder if they too could be impacted by similar situations. I would be very interested in seeing a program done on this by Dateline, 60 minutes or whoever is well watched and nationally broadcast.


                            [This message has been edited by newtonb (edited November 07, 2000).]

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                            • #15
                              If people get so upset on a thread to resort to namecalling then the thread should be closed. However this thread and this situation with Detroit is a well documented issue that should be discussed openly with everyone having their say.

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