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Remove F.D.N.Y. Insignias- updated
Edited on 12-2-2001.
I just wanted to say "Thank You" to everyone who has responded, and for your support.
The flag is still on the pumper! But unfortunatly the FDNY decals have been removed... For now. Give me time.
I was told yesterday that our Mayor seen our engine one day when I was off duty, and noticed the FDNY insignias and questioned them being on the engine, stating:
"Isn't that going a bit overboard?"
Probably good that I was off duty, because I would have explained to Mrs. Mayor why those letters are so proudly displayed on our pump, and why you should be too!!
When she was running for Mayor, all we heard was how much "she loves the Fire Department".
This is the same Mayor that broke down and cried at a memorial service on the front steps of our government building a few days after the attacks, and proclaimed to be such a religous woman that she keeps a bible on her desk in her office.
She loves us so much that she is wanting to lay off firefighters and police next year, cut out overtime completly, and take an ambulance squad out of service.
She really loves us, and all of you FDNY guys!
Nice huh?
Thank You all again for your support!!!!
I would like for everyone to share their comments on what I am going to explain in the following text. Its a bit long, but please read the entire text and respond. Thanks!
First let me set things straight.
I am a proud, patriotic and dedicated firefighter. I have been a volly in my younger days, and now I am career. 18 yrs in the Fire Service all together.
I am currently an engine co. officer in my department.
When you read the quote "I have only one ambition in this world, and that is to be a fireman"...
Well... thats me.
I have always been very traditional and respectful when it comes to the fire service.
I am one of the guys with an American flag, and "W6" on his helmet, because I believe in honoring and remebering our Brothers and Sisters that have fallen.
Not taking ANYTHING away from anyone who has given their life in the line of duty, but the Worcester Tragedy bothered me for sometime.
I have observed and respected other LODD's, from all over the country but the Worcester tragedy has stuck with me for some reason.
But after watching the murder and the loss of some 5000 people in New York, 343 of them being our Brothers, then going to the "Pile" and digging with my hands alongside my Brothers in what was left of 5000 people in New York, I have been deeply moved by the entire event, as I am sure everyone in America has...
With the exception of a few in Miami.
Right after the mass murder in New York and Washington, I wanted to do something to show everyone in our community and our FD, that myself and my Company cared and supported the FDNY.
We have a large group of rookies here, that need to see and learn how we take care of, and support one another in the fire service.
So I taped an FDNY shoulder patch on the inside of the windshield of our pumper, and placed a small decal with the letters FDNY under the IAFF window decal on the side window.
Later, my Pipeman obtained a 3'x5' U.S. flag from our local V.F.W. and we placed it on the back of the pumper, attatched to the grab rail right under the spotlight, as was were most departments in America were doing...
And Man it looks great!!
My crew also obtained a large U.S. flag that we hung from our Engine room ceiling so everyone passing by the front of our firehouse could see the colors through the all glass doors.
Other companies in our Dept. placed smaller flags on the mirrors of their rigs. But we were the only ones who put a "big flag" on our rig.
I have to say there just isn't anything much more
American than a big red fire truck going down the street with "Old Glory" flying.
I'll get to the point.
Yesterday one of our Deputy Chiefs stopped by and was shootin the breeze, when he told me that the F.D.N.Y. stuff would have to come off the pumper because several of the guys were complaining about it.
After a few minutes of me saying how I really felt about the inconsiderate, no good, non-firefighting SOB's, I asked if these same "firefighters" were also "upset" because I took the lead and put the "Color's" on the engine. You guessed it. They are!!!
"That might have to come off too", was the response from the D.C.
Well I don't think I have to tell you, and I probably can't say what I said here.
But I'll assure you of this, the Pope would have fainted and Stallin would have loved me!
I don't think our Chief's have a problem with it really.
But some of the fire departments employee's, (and I use that term because they ARE NOT true American firefighters in my book), evidently do, using the excuse "it obstructs their view when backing up".
The last time I read our rules and regs it said quite clearly, someone is to be spotting the apparatus while backing up.
And, this rig is a rescue pumper so the sides are so deep that the grab rail where the flag is attatched, is almost in the middle of the rearend of the truck anyway.
COME ON!!
Well I hope you all get the picture.
Did I do something wrong???
Please tell me what you think about this, because I am going to print and post all of this topic on our Union board so these idiots can see what our Brothers and Sisters across America think.
Thanks alot.
PUMPER CAPTAIN
God Bless the USA and the FDNY
P.S.
I still have my flag and the letters FDNY on my p.o.v.
[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: PUMPER CAPTAIN ]
I just wanted to say "Thank You" to everyone who has responded, and for your support.
The flag is still on the pumper! But unfortunatly the FDNY decals have been removed... For now. Give me time.
I was told yesterday that our Mayor seen our engine one day when I was off duty, and noticed the FDNY insignias and questioned them being on the engine, stating:
"Isn't that going a bit overboard?"
Probably good that I was off duty, because I would have explained to Mrs. Mayor why those letters are so proudly displayed on our pump, and why you should be too!!
When she was running for Mayor, all we heard was how much "she loves the Fire Department".
This is the same Mayor that broke down and cried at a memorial service on the front steps of our government building a few days after the attacks, and proclaimed to be such a religous woman that she keeps a bible on her desk in her office.
She loves us so much that she is wanting to lay off firefighters and police next year, cut out overtime completly, and take an ambulance squad out of service.
She really loves us, and all of you FDNY guys!
Nice huh?
Thank You all again for your support!!!!
I would like for everyone to share their comments on what I am going to explain in the following text. Its a bit long, but please read the entire text and respond. Thanks!
First let me set things straight.
I am a proud, patriotic and dedicated firefighter. I have been a volly in my younger days, and now I am career. 18 yrs in the Fire Service all together.
I am currently an engine co. officer in my department.
When you read the quote "I have only one ambition in this world, and that is to be a fireman"...
Well... thats me.
I have always been very traditional and respectful when it comes to the fire service.
I am one of the guys with an American flag, and "W6" on his helmet, because I believe in honoring and remebering our Brothers and Sisters that have fallen.
Not taking ANYTHING away from anyone who has given their life in the line of duty, but the Worcester Tragedy bothered me for sometime.
I have observed and respected other LODD's, from all over the country but the Worcester tragedy has stuck with me for some reason.
But after watching the murder and the loss of some 5000 people in New York, 343 of them being our Brothers, then going to the "Pile" and digging with my hands alongside my Brothers in what was left of 5000 people in New York, I have been deeply moved by the entire event, as I am sure everyone in America has...
With the exception of a few in Miami.
Right after the mass murder in New York and Washington, I wanted to do something to show everyone in our community and our FD, that myself and my Company cared and supported the FDNY.
We have a large group of rookies here, that need to see and learn how we take care of, and support one another in the fire service.
So I taped an FDNY shoulder patch on the inside of the windshield of our pumper, and placed a small decal with the letters FDNY under the IAFF window decal on the side window.
Later, my Pipeman obtained a 3'x5' U.S. flag from our local V.F.W. and we placed it on the back of the pumper, attatched to the grab rail right under the spotlight, as was were most departments in America were doing...
And Man it looks great!!
My crew also obtained a large U.S. flag that we hung from our Engine room ceiling so everyone passing by the front of our firehouse could see the colors through the all glass doors.
Other companies in our Dept. placed smaller flags on the mirrors of their rigs. But we were the only ones who put a "big flag" on our rig.
I have to say there just isn't anything much more
American than a big red fire truck going down the street with "Old Glory" flying.
I'll get to the point.
Yesterday one of our Deputy Chiefs stopped by and was shootin the breeze, when he told me that the F.D.N.Y. stuff would have to come off the pumper because several of the guys were complaining about it.
After a few minutes of me saying how I really felt about the inconsiderate, no good, non-firefighting SOB's, I asked if these same "firefighters" were also "upset" because I took the lead and put the "Color's" on the engine. You guessed it. They are!!!
"That might have to come off too", was the response from the D.C.
Well I don't think I have to tell you, and I probably can't say what I said here.
But I'll assure you of this, the Pope would have fainted and Stallin would have loved me!
I don't think our Chief's have a problem with it really.
But some of the fire departments employee's, (and I use that term because they ARE NOT true American firefighters in my book), evidently do, using the excuse "it obstructs their view when backing up".
The last time I read our rules and regs it said quite clearly, someone is to be spotting the apparatus while backing up.
And, this rig is a rescue pumper so the sides are so deep that the grab rail where the flag is attatched, is almost in the middle of the rearend of the truck anyway.
COME ON!!
Well I hope you all get the picture.
Did I do something wrong???
Please tell me what you think about this, because I am going to print and post all of this topic on our Union board so these idiots can see what our Brothers and Sisters across America think.
Thanks alot.
PUMPER CAPTAIN
God Bless the USA and the FDNY
P.S.
I still have my flag and the letters FDNY on my p.o.v.
[ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: PUMPER CAPTAIN ]
How can they possibly even consider something so ignorant? 
And as far as that goes, any officer who supports a decision like that should have his head examined. He's supposed to be there to make decisions that can affect the lives of his crew or department members. If he can't even make the sensible decision and tell the ****-and-moaner club to take their bitch about the flag and shove it, how can you trust his decisions on the fireground? Anyway, if it were up to me, any of the losers who complain about the flag shouldn't be allowed to serve the people who that flag represents. Keep up the great effort capt. It's guys like you who make me proud to be in this field. Guys like you who know what the flag means. Not the anti-american bas*ards who only want to bitch. 
RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
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