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    Edited on 12-2-2001.

    I just wanted to say "Thank You" to everyone who has responded, and for your support.

    The flag is still on the pumper! But unfortunatly the FDNY decals have been removed... For now. Give me time.

    I was told yesterday that our Mayor seen our engine one day when I was off duty, and noticed the FDNY insignias and questioned them being on the engine, stating:

    "Isn't that going a bit overboard?"

    Probably good that I was off duty, because I would have explained to Mrs. Mayor why those letters are so proudly displayed on our pump, and why you should be too!!

    When she was running for Mayor, all we heard was how much "she loves the Fire Department".

    This is the same Mayor that broke down and cried at a memorial service on the front steps of our government building a few days after the attacks, and proclaimed to be such a religous woman that she keeps a bible on her desk in her office.

    She loves us so much that she is wanting to lay off firefighters and police next year, cut out overtime completly, and take an ambulance squad out of service.

    She really loves us, and all of you FDNY guys!

    Nice huh?

    Thank You all again for your support!!!!

    I would like for everyone to share their comments on what I am going to explain in the following text. Its a bit long, but please read the entire text and respond. Thanks!

    First let me set things straight.

    I am a proud, patriotic and dedicated firefighter. I have been a volly in my younger days, and now I am career. 18 yrs in the Fire Service all together.

    I am currently an engine co. officer in my department.

    When you read the quote "I have only one ambition in this world, and that is to be a fireman"...

    Well... thats me.

    I have always been very traditional and respectful when it comes to the fire service.

    I am one of the guys with an American flag, and "W6" on his helmet, because I believe in honoring and remebering our Brothers and Sisters that have fallen.

    Not taking ANYTHING away from anyone who has given their life in the line of duty, but the Worcester Tragedy bothered me for sometime.

    I have observed and respected other LODD's, from all over the country but the Worcester tragedy has stuck with me for some reason.

    But after watching the murder and the loss of some 5000 people in New York, 343 of them being our Brothers, then going to the "Pile" and digging with my hands alongside my Brothers in what was left of 5000 people in New York, I have been deeply moved by the entire event, as I am sure everyone in America has...

    With the exception of a few in Miami.

    Right after the mass murder in New York and Washington, I wanted to do something to show everyone in our community and our FD, that myself and my Company cared and supported the FDNY.

    We have a large group of rookies here, that need to see and learn how we take care of, and support one another in the fire service.

    So I taped an FDNY shoulder patch on the inside of the windshield of our pumper, and placed a small decal with the letters FDNY under the IAFF window decal on the side window.

    Later, my Pipeman obtained a 3'x5' U.S. flag from our local V.F.W. and we placed it on the back of the pumper, attatched to the grab rail right under the spotlight, as was were most departments in America were doing...

    And Man it looks great!!

    My crew also obtained a large U.S. flag that we hung from our Engine room ceiling so everyone passing by the front of our firehouse could see the colors through the all glass doors.

    Other companies in our Dept. placed smaller flags on the mirrors of their rigs. But we were the only ones who put a "big flag" on our rig.

    I have to say there just isn't anything much more
    American than a big red fire truck going down the street with "Old Glory" flying.

    I'll get to the point.

    Yesterday one of our Deputy Chiefs stopped by and was shootin the breeze, when he told me that the F.D.N.Y. stuff would have to come off the pumper because several of the guys were complaining about it.

    After a few minutes of me saying how I really felt about the inconsiderate, no good, non-firefighting SOB's, I asked if these same "firefighters" were also "upset" because I took the lead and put the "Color's" on the engine. You guessed it. They are!!!

    "That might have to come off too", was the response from the D.C.

    Well I don't think I have to tell you, and I probably can't say what I said here.

    But I'll assure you of this, the Pope would have fainted and Stallin would have loved me!

    I don't think our Chief's have a problem with it really.

    But some of the fire departments employee's, (and I use that term because they ARE NOT true American firefighters in my book), evidently do, using the excuse "it obstructs their view when backing up".

    The last time I read our rules and regs it said quite clearly, someone is to be spotting the apparatus while backing up.

    And, this rig is a rescue pumper so the sides are so deep that the grab rail where the flag is attatched, is almost in the middle of the rearend of the truck anyway.

    COME ON!!

    Well I hope you all get the picture.

    Did I do something wrong???

    Please tell me what you think about this, because I am going to print and post all of this topic on our Union board so these idiots can see what our Brothers and Sisters across America think.

    Thanks alot.


    God Bless the USA and the FDNY


    I still have my flag and the letters FDNY on my p.o.v.

    [ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: PUMPER CAPTAIN ]

  • #2
    Screw the un American bastards that want the Flag and the FDNY patch taken off the pumpers.


    God bless the USA!



    • #3
      Pumper Capt.,

      I say screw them too. After all, how many hundreds of thousands of men have died for that flag. I think that flags should be on firetrucks everyday of the year, not just in rememberance. The flag is a symbol of our country, the residents of whom we've sworn to protect. Why can't we be proud of that? What goes through the mind of those stupid-***es who want to take the flag down? How can they possibly even consider something so ignorant? To me, they aren't any better than the sons-of-bi*ches who burn the flag. And as far as that goes, any officer who supports a decision like that should have his head examined. He's supposed to be there to make decisions that can affect the lives of his crew or department members. If he can't even make the sensible decision and tell the ****-and-moaner club to take their bitch about the flag and shove it, how can you trust his decisions on the fireground? Anyway, if it were up to me, any of the losers who complain about the flag shouldn't be allowed to serve the people who that flag represents. Keep up the great effort capt. It's guys like you who make me proud to be in this field. Guys like you who know what the flag means. Not the anti-american bas*ards who only want to bitch.
      Life is only temporary, but freedom goes on forever. God bless those who gave all.


      • #4
        We back you 100% Give em hell.


        • #5
          I agree I find it obsured that people don't like you putting up F.D.N.Y. logos and American Flags, This is a free country
          Engine 101
          The Pride of Old Town




          • #6
            Keep the FDNY insignias and fly those colors high and with pride.
            Those whiny crybabies are showing no respect both for the civilians and for our brothers and sisters lost on the 11th.
            Looks to me like it's time to create some vacancies at your place, or for any other "firefighters" (and in this case i use the term VERY loosely) at other houses!
            Oh yeah, do those guys have our IAFF emblem on the windshields of their personal vehicles?
            Why don't those emblems block their vision?
            Ohhhhhhhhhhhh that's right, do you think that maybe they have a little less union pride and a little more "Hey look at me everyone.....I'm a firefighter" in them?
            Those guys repulse me, everyone has a "black sheep" in the family, but this is insanity!
            I still love all of my brothers and sisers but nothing says I have to LIKE all of them!


            • #7
              F*** 'em ,Cap,

              Leave the colors, leave the patch & decals. If these "guys" can't see what they stand for they shouldn't be on the job.

              Our ALS trucks have flags on the antennas, flag decals on the side windows, and one truck had a larger boat-type flag we rigged up with a dowel and fishing line off the VHF antenna & lightbar. The Director said "uh, that might be bad for the antenna....", we said " yup, might be, and your point is...?" He left it alone at that.
              We proudly wore mourning bands on our badges and small ribbons pinned to our chests.

              Being close to the city, we've got constant T-shirt offers going via the IAFF,FDNY,FDNYEMS, NYPD and PAPD. It is expected that our guys WILL buy shirts and proudly wear them under our uniform shirt or to/from the station.

              It's a matter of respect. A matter of honor. A matter of tribute.

              Cap, if your department wants them to come down, amek THEM do it. Take a day off to make your point if you must. It's that important. Too soon we forget. We must never forget. Our fellow Americans may be dying right now for all we know.

              After they remove your flags & decals. Call your local VFW, American Legion, and then the press. Show these losers for what they are!

              God Bless.
              Fight the Good Fight.
              09-11-01:Never Forget


              • #8
                To all of the Sorry Un-American Bas tards out there who bitch and moan about flying the greatest flag in the world......MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL...


                About the chiefs decision......It was heartless and instantly I lost my respect for him.... Doesn't mean he wouldn't make good decisions on the fireground.....just means the union will most likely not back him anymore......:sad:

                Giv'em hell Cap'n.... Show all of those non-american pussies out there what TRUE AMERICAN FIREFIGHTERS ARE MADE OF.....


                **** THE MUTTS!!!!!

                Adam Spencer
                Cadet Firefighter/First Responder
                Nixa Fire District
                Nixa MO 65714


                • #9
                  Stay the course, Captain!
                  ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
                  Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY


                  • #10
                    Keep it on cap! If you have to take a hit for it, . . . oh well. No Chief can tell a Captain what he would like on or off our rigs (in this regards though).

                    Now, was it the Chief w/ the problem . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . or some, what we in my company call 'blo-jobs', was it their whining?

                    Either way, fly ol' glory and thanks for supporting FDNY, brother.

                    Oh yea, Stallin said that you shouldn't hold back your true feelings.
                    May God bless all the people and families who have lost
                    their lives on 9-11-01, to those also lost on Flight 587, and to the rescuers who responded to both.

                    "I'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying (the way it is)."

                    FDNY-EMS - Still New York's Best!

                    e-mail always accepted @
                    [email protected]


                    • #11
                      Captain, I say f*## `em! The people like these clowns are just like the ones who whine about the military, or police, or (fill in the blank). As long as they are nice & safe, they don't want anything to do with you. But as soon as they need help, they're the first to scream, "Come help me!" But once the danger is over, it's "Go away, I don't want to have to think about that nasty stuff. Ya know, we don't need so many ___. We could spend that $$ on ___." The whiners there in your station sound like they want the job, the $, and the ability to say, "I'm a fireman," but don't want to pay the full dues.
                      I fought in two conflicts for the flag, buried my fiancee who died in the line of duty serving our country, and I've served in the FD for several years now. I wouldn't have this service & sacrifice besmirched by a bunch of sniveling whiners just because our flag or memorial sticker "offends" them.
                      Keep our flag flying and keep the stickers too!

                      [ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Tanker06 ]

                      We gotta be nuts...we're running in when the rats & roaches are running out!

                      Let No Victim's Ghost Say That We Didn't Try
                      These are my opinions, and only mine, and do not reflect the views of my department.


                      • #12
                        Cap I back you 100%. Those *******s that don't like it can kiss your ***. This is one of the things I feel is screwing up this great nation. All the bleeding heart, left wing ,snotty take everything, give nothing idiots that want to take everyones rights away. They can take a hike. Love it or Leave it.

                        Stay Safe


                        • #13
                          I am on the screw' em plan !!! GO Capt !!!!!!
                          IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
                          Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
                          ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
                          RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
                          LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
                          I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
                          "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
                          http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115


                          • #14
                            Tell any one that has a problem with you keeping your pride visible to kiss your ***. Those SOB's should never be able to serve any member of this country if they have no pride in what they are serving for.

                            I back you up capt 100%.

                            God Bless America, FDNY, and the families of all the victims.

                            [ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: firemed9 ]

                            Lieutenant / EMT- Paramedic
                            Protective Services Officer


                            • #15
                              Regarding the American Flag issue - it should not be hung off the back of the truck and check to see that is is properly hung inside your fire hall.

                              I am very patriotic. I am not angry at those who don't display the flag properly. I just wish they knew better. I have seen flags hung off porches so they're touching the ground, placed backwards on vehicles , on top of awnings, etc.

                              Some rules & regulations:

                              The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

                              When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.

                              The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

                              No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

                              The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

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