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  • hazmat112
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    We use plain text here in NE Ohio with the exception of code 6 for a check up.
    Plain text is just easier, there's no need to be long- winded, except for initial size up.
    Personally i'd rather hear a company pull up and report a " two story single family dwelling with smoke showing from the eaves" than " on scene with a working fire"
    Just my opinion based on a little experience.

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  • DON DELANCEY
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    We use a combination of plain text and 10 codes. Most of our ten codes are for privacy issues, our EMS use a form of 10 codes ie. 15charlie7, because they use a ProQ and A (professional question and answer) software program in their dispatch. My opinion is to use plain text as much as possible but keep it consice and short, what I like to refer to as the KISS approach (keep it simple stupid). Leave the 10 codes for the privacy issues.

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  • Dalmatian90
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    IC told them on the radio to "Stretch a line." After several minutes and no line, the IC asked the second engine company where the line was. They were back in quarters, and had now idea what he was talking about, because they thought he had said "Signal 9" (Meaning disregard and report back to quarters).

    That's not a problem with codes and signals, that's a communication problem and failure of the message to be acknowledged properly.

    While we're on the subject of Plain Text V. Codes, why don't we refer to a building as North-East-West-South or Front/Left/Rear/Right sides instead of A-B-C-D? Doesn't North give you a very specific location, where "D" changes depending on orientation? It's also much hard to confuse "North/East/West/South" where as "B" and "D" sound nearly identical (which is why I use Bravo and Delta). When you get down to it, A/B/C/D are just codes, and not universal at that (other departments use 1/2/3/4, etc)

    I guess just food for thought for those who feel "plain text" solves all problems...

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  • Rittner
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    If anybody's interested, the signals and codes we use in Northeast CT are listed here, as well as many other places. Most departments in CT use the signals to some extent. Such as signal 50 for a fire, signal 23 for a non-fire emergency, and so on. Up here in Tolland County we use all of them pretty much. Other departments just use the dispatch related ones. We also have a list of EMS codes we use for ambulance runs.

    I'm all in favor of the codes over plain text. We have some trouble in certain areas of town with radio communication, due to the terrain. Being able to pick a code out of a static-laden message makes things easier. I guess that's what 10 codes were mostly for when they were invented anyway...

    Andy

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  • MFD52
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    We use plain English. Keeps every one on the same page. Reduces confusion where there is already enough of that going on without throwing 10 codes into the mix. The only exception to that is that a few (4) "Signal"
    codes are used for particular situations.

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  • sdh134
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    Here's a great anecdote for why you should use plain text:

    In a nearby city, alot of the firefighters used signal codes and ten codes. They had to modify their radio traffic after an incident at a fire. At a fire, the second engine was coming on scene when the IC told them on the radio to "Stretch a line." After several minutes and no line, the IC asked the second engine company where the line was. They were back in quarters, and had now idea what he was talking about, because they thought he had said "Signal 9" (Meaning disregard and report back to quarters). Plain text is the way to go. Leave the other stuff to the police.

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  • shammrock54
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    I am a great fan of the KISS method (keep it simple stupid) use clear text for all but things that must/should not go over the air but have 2,example in my dept a code is a code 99 and a dead body is a code 100. also w/ the recent anthrax scares we do not use anything related to powder, anthrax or wmd. we tone out for an investigation @ our respective stations than get info via landline from dispatch. clear text is easy and eliminates a code book 4 those 3am calls when remembering your way to the station takes a few seconds. thats all i have except if ur using codes to cover 4 info that u dont want over the air(ie we're broke down) pull out your cell phone/use a landline and call your dispatch.

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  • EFDems841
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    The only ten codes we use on the FD are 10-7 and 10-8. The rest is "plain English" (depends on who's screaming into the radio whether you can understand them or not )
    10-7 is when a piece is out of service, unable to respond to emergency's
    10-8 is when a unit is back in service or back in quarters...either from being 10-7 or from a call.

    Now, the ambulance squad is a totally different monster. we are dispatched by a PD that does dispatching fro 3 towns.

    Signal 4-arriving location
    Signal 5-responding
    signal 14-clear of call/back in service
    Signal 21-suicide/attempted suicide
    and some other rarely used "odd" codes

    [ 11-23-2001: Message edited by: EFDems841 ]

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  • firecat1524
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    We currently use 10 codes and signals...but are switching over to plain text...either Dec 1 or Jan 1. Some of us already use simple ones, like responding, on the scene, available, etc. One of the departments I used to run a ton of mutal aid with used plain text and it seemed to be much more simple than 10 codes for most people, although I really don't have trouble with the 10 codes and signals being a former dispatcher.

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  • firefighter_632
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    We are using plain text for all dispatches. If there is any sensitive dispatches they will sent them over our alpha pagers. The only "code" we have is for firefighter/medic in distress, and that is used because we dont want the person with the gun to know we are calling in the calvary.

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  • BCReid
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    Plain english, as little as possible, and standardized. Instead of having 3 different ways of saying "enroute", "responding" or "on the air," etc., we try to keep it to justone agreed upon word. "Responding," in our case.

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  • truckie_ladderco_147
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    Here is another part,how about post locations?Like 10-24,10-76 to post 5.which means the chief has seen us enough for one evening and is going home.Post 1 is our quarters and post 5 is the home of whatever person is reporting it.Our chief toned a still alarm a few years back,we dont use that code but he put it in to play as it was the 7th time this buildings alarm had gone off(on this the day after Turkey day no less)the basic message was "Still alarm! Alarm still ringing....."Remember stay safe and have a leftover drumstick on us.Sorry pies all gone.

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  • mark440
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    We use a combination of the 10-Code and plain text. Just like everthing else, there is a fool on every side of it. Someone can always throw a monkey wrench into things.

    *Mark

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  • N2DFire
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    'round here - Fire and EMS are *supposed* to use plain english however since we are dispatched by a centeral 911 center that also dispatches/interfaces with 6 or 7 enforcement agencies then we still get a few 10 codes.

    *L* sometimes we will give a dispatcher a message in plain English and get the "read back" in 10-code.

    Also - being in a very southern drawl speech area - I use the term "plain english" very loosely

    Most of the 10 Codes we do use are:
    10-4 - Msg ack. or O.K.
    10-8 - In Service
    10-22 - Disregard
    10-50 - MVA
    10-70 - Fire - Will be followed by type. I.E. 10-70 Structure, Brush, Fire Alarm, etc.

    There are also "codes" in plain english. ALthou no one hardly ever uses them properly - our radio protocol states that "Responding" indicates a Lights & Siren Response (I.E. Med 3 Responding 2314 Peek-A-Boo Street - Subject Unresponsive) vs. En Route meaning a Quiet Response (Med 5B En Route 1816 Lois Lane - Transport to Dr. Appointment)

    Take Care - Stay Safe - God Bless
    Stephen
    FF/Paramedic

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  • LtStick
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    Almost all Fire Stations in my area are Dispatched by the County 911 Center. Everyone uses Plain Text although there are times I've wanted to take the Batteries out of certain Peoples Radios bu, you'll have this. The Police and Emergency Services Officers use the 10 codess and signals. My vote has always been for Plain Text.

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