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  • #16
    I have a few things to say.
    First, Mr Norder was one of the people who went to NY and took the flag, he is also the Fire Chief. (He's making it look like one person took this flag). Being from a community near Bethlehem Twp, i can tell you this. This is not the first article. All the articles (and editorials) relating to this have documented the lies that Norder told. (http://www.pennlive.com/expresstimes or http://www.mcall.com/ these are the 2 newpapers)
    Second, Don't email bethlehem twp fire! Its been done. they just delete the ones they do not like. They run their own web site. Instead try this: http://www.bethlehemtwp.com/enter.html
    Click CONTACT
    Click COMMISSIONERS
    Let THEM know how you feel! They own the fire dept.
    Third.
    They are a marked Department. We in the fire service know what a rat looks like, smells like and acts like but the public sees us all as one. So be careful how you handle things.
    Finally, I agree with apatrol, don't dwell on it. Its not worth it. Concentrate on making yourself a better person so you don't make the same mistakes. Fight for the Fire Service, Make The fire service finally HEARD! Don't let our brothers die in vain!!

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    • #17
      Thanks for posting that site. Email sent, I feel MUCH better having let them know how I feel. Maybe they will show up at the service and at least have the morals to give back what they took.
      Bless all of our Fallen Brothers and Sisters. You will not be forgotten

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      • #18
        Some of you (you'ins for the uneducated out there) need to chill the *** out a second!

        1st off - did YOU see this ff pick up an American flag out of the rubble? Literally see it with your own eyes? did you see him swipe it off the ground and say some derogitory term? did you see him rip it off the firetruck? (if so, why didn't you kick his punk ***) did you see him get on his knees, pick it up like like a newborn, and give it the necessary attention of picking up our country's flag OFF THE GROUND?

        Technically (and i hate people who do this) the flag should have been detroyed. separating the blue field from the stripes and then burned. Would I have done that? Hell no. But again, I didn't see this incident take place.

        Go easy on this. Everbody seems to think that this guy ripped a flag off firetruck. did he? " well he might as well have " no stupid, I said did he!?!?!?!?!

        there was so much going on in the first few weeks there, what is this guy supposed to be stopping ff's and saying, 'um excuse me, did this come off your rig?'

        now that it has been determined whose flag it TRUELY is, i believe that any person w/ half a brain in that department will see to it that that company gets it's flag back.

        putting up the patch from the department in PA? how classless. if I see one of these guys on 11/18 in nyc, i'd say 'thanks for digging, and trying to find one of my exchiefs, and two fellow members of my service'. if a conversation ensues, hey i'll ask as to what happened. if they tell me, great, if not, oh well, I'll get over it.

        [ 11-05-2001: Message edited by: toneloc177 ]

        [ 11-05-2001: Message edited by: toneloc177 ]
        May God bless all the people and families who have lost
        their lives on 9-11-01, to those also lost on Flight 587, and to the rescuers who responded to both.

        "I'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying (the way it is)."

        FDNY-EMS - Still New York's Best!

        e-mail always accepted @
        [email protected]

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        • #19
          GIVE ME A BREAK toneloc177!!!! THE FACTS ARE THEY WENT TO NYC AND RETURNED FROM THE SITE WITH THE FLAG. THEN BRAGGED ABOUT IT TO THE PRESS. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE TO FIGURE OUT THAT IT CAME FROM NYC. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM A CRIME SCENE. AND AS FAR AS THANKING THEM FOR DIGGING FOR YOUR EXCHIEF OR FRIEND I HAVE TO ASK HOW LONG DID THEY TAKE AWAY DIGGING FOR MY BROTHER WHO DIED THAT DAY TO PICK UP AND HANDLE THAT FLAG????? YES, MY ACTUAL BROTHER WHO WORKED IN THE FDNY. AND AS FAR AS LUMPING ME IN WITH THE SOUTHERN FOLK YOU SHOULD KNOW MY BACKGROUND, AND YES I DID CATCH YOUR COMMENT PRIOR TO YOU EDITING IT, I AM FROM NYC BORN AND RAISED AND I AM CURRENTLY A PROFESSIONAL FIRE FIGHTER. SO KISS MY ***, AND PRONOUNCE IT IN A BRONX ACCENT.,
          YES I AM A PROFESSIONAL FIRE FIGHTER AND YES I AM IN THE UNION

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          • #20
            Ok, please don't think I'm a stupid idiot. I read the original post and I'm confused about why everyone is mad at the PA volunteer firefighter. Maybe the firefighter didn't know the flag belonged to FDNY...he just found it in the rubble right? It could have been from anywhere - including from inside the WTC.

            Or maybe I'm missing some of the details here...
            Probie Name: HurryUpMichelle!!

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            • #21
              Regardless of whether or not he knew where it came from he shouldn't have taken the flag from where it was...that was not his place or his property. He should have notified the FDNY which is what anyone with a half an ounce of sense would have done. It is a flag that obviously belonged to FDNY, NYPD, or the WTC..so it still belonged to NYC and not to the state of PA or some jackass ff from there either! What he did was wrong, there is no excuse, no justifying it, and no talking his way out of it. Return the flag, make the appropriate apologies, and then pray to God that FDNY forgives you for being a moron.
              Never forget those who went before and sacrified to make us better and stronger as a fire service and a nation. 09-11-01 forever etched in time and our memories. God Speed Boys!

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              • #22
                To repeat what ToneLoc said ... everybody frickin' relax. Should he have taken it? No. Are they giving it back? Yes.

                SO SHUTUP.

                and Stay Safe

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                • #23
                  ITS GOOD TO SEE THE VOLLIES STICKING UP FOR ONE ANOTHER. (THAT WAS SARCASTIC)
                  YES I AM A PROFESSIONAL FIRE FIGHTER AND YES I AM IN THE UNION

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                  • #24
                    Did I say anything to stick up for the person who stole the flag? No.

                    It's hilarious how many people bitch on a computer screen and that's all they do.

                    Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

                    Stay Safe

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                    • #25
                      ITS ALSO FUNNY HOW BRAVE YOU ARE ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN AND YET AT THE SAME TIME MUCH LIKE THAT OF A LITTLE BITCH BOY.
                      YES I AM A PROFESSIONAL FIRE FIGHTER AND YES I AM IN THE UNION

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                      • #26
                        Bartender.....

                        Guinness and Thorazine for everyone
                        Guinness....a meal in a can!
                        IACOJ, Flatlander Division

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by firemonkey70:
                          ITS ALSO FUNNY HOW BRAVE YOU ARE ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN AND YET AT THE SAME TIME MUCH LIKE THAT OF A LITTLE BITCH BOY.
                          Wow, you're really dramatic. You're a skirt, aren't you?

                          Stay Safe

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                          • #28
                            Hurling insults at each other...doesn't accomplish much does it? Too bad Toneloc had to drag this topic down to his or her level.

                            Like Joe Friday of Dragnet used to say, "just the facts Ma'am.":
                            ---------------------------------------------
                            From the Morning Call; Allentown, Pa.; Oct 26, 2001;
                            New York firefighters want flag returned **Bethlehem Township volunteer found it on truck at ground zero.
                            KATHY LAUER-WILLIAMS Of The Morning Call;

                            At a news conference when the Bethlehem Township crew returned Sept. 12, firefighter Matt Zimpfer said he "found" the burned and tattered flag on the bumper of a fire engine buried under debris.

                            Bethlehem Township Fire Chief Robert Norder has said Zimpfer simply recovered the flag, and said he intended to make a memorial for Engine Company No. 3.
                            --------------------------------------------
                            When I was growing up Momma used to say "If it's it's not yours, don't take it." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize this for what it is, plain old fashioned stealing.

                            dmsmith: I'd gladly take you up on the Guinness but think i'll pass on the Thorazine, it gives me a headache.

                            [ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: NozzleHog ]

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                            • #29
                              Nozzle Hog, I know, you're right, but it's more fun this way.

                              Forgive my ignorance, and I know the rest, but what does the DTRT stand for?

                              Stay Safe

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                              • #30
                                The ff from PA on this forum is the only person who needs to "chill out". We are not attacking your state there brother, we are saying that anyone with common sense would have gotten someone from the NYPD, or FDNY (there were only about 5K of them there that day) and said "hey I found this flag and I figured you would want it." What is so hard about that? Nothing. He knew what he did was wrong, thought he wouldn't get caught, and did it. There is nothing excusable about what he did. Hey if he gives it back and makes his apologies then I say that is the end of it, and it should be dropped. Until that happens he is still a liar and a crook. And as for the "skirt" comment..I happen to be a skirt wearer and I don't see what the hell that has to do with anything that is being discussed here on this forum..so I ask that you please reserve the sexist comments for another time. Have a great day.
                                Never forget those who went before and sacrified to make us better and stronger as a fire service and a nation. 09-11-01 forever etched in time and our memories. God Speed Boys!

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