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**Waterboy620** · 09-28-2001, 11:31 PM

Man do I have bad news. If the ACLU is involved, those pieces of crap will get their jobs back, will get rich and will have the support of every finatical, racially motivated, pro black, down with the white man, looting in the streets, welfare scum sucking drain on the American Tax payer in the entire world. I am not a racist. I have been through the cultural diversity class and I found out that I can be politically correct if I just hate stupid people. And I hate people that take advantage of a situation, knowing they will be opressed, knowing they will be fired and knowing that in a few months time, will be rich as hell. These guys came up with a plan to get crap from their boss so they could turn it around and make a profit. This had nothing to do with the American flag. This is made clear by their inability to come up with a reason why they refused to serve and protect. I havent been this ****ed since MASH went off the air. Sure the reruns are nice but god dammit I wanna see new episodes!!!!! And this situation with the crap-a-doodle-doo butt holes is going to make the IAFF or anyone who gets in the way of their money making scheme look like road kill. There is no way to get out of this situation. They already have a solid case. Racial discrimination. And the only defence for that is to nail your nuts to the floor and empty your wallet. Anyway, hows your day going? Good? We slept all night last shift so Im excited about that. I got new tires on my truck. They are pretty cool. Im gonna go get drunk and pretend this conversation never happened. If anybody needs me, Ill be in the corner drinking wine out of the bottle.

**Captain 12** · 09-29-2001, 09:02 AM

good reply Tex

**kfd232** · 09-29-2001, 03:54 PM

Last I had heard the ACLU was backing up the Fire Chief in his decision to fire the scum bags. Their stance was that it is not forcing someone to pledge allegience to it or something like that. The firefighters most definately had the right to say that the flag represents oppression. The flag itself stands for that right. They even had the right to object to them being on the trucks. They had no right to endager the citizens or fellow workers lives by refusing to ride the trucks. I don't think that legally they are going to have a leg to stand on.

One other thought...
I sure hope some of my friends in Miami get on the jury if it goes to a jury trial!!

Freedom of speech allows you to say things about the flag.
Freedom of speech allows you to burn the flag.
Freedom of speech allows you to call the very system that provides you your freedom, an oppressive government.
Freedom of speech is given to all citizens of this county.
Our civil liberties are very important to this country and I would never want them taken away...
but if you work in a para-military organization (which just happens to be a government agency) Then you must follow orders or face disciplenary action. You are free to voice your opinions, however you must do so in a manner that doesn't affect service to your community.
Firefighters do not go on strike... and that is what these men did.
I hope that the Miami-Dade fire department will use all it's legal resources to handle in a positive way, this unfortunate incident.

be safe brothers

**Truckman** · 09-29-2001, 09:00 PM

You know the old saying;

"Love it or leave it"

Unfortunately, people like many of you and myself, have also served to protect the very ideals that have given these 3 scumbags, the ACLU and others rights that they couldn't have anywhere else. Where else can you fight for freedom, and then have some lowlife curse you for providing the freedom that gives them the right to curse you. Go figure.

Slander the flag, burn the flag, refuse to ride on a fire truck flying the flag, NOT WHILE I'M STANDING THERE. I am ashamed to know that they are/have been a part of our profession.

Keep the faith brothers

Be safe

**FF_ONG** · 09-29-2001, 09:13 PM

I have an idea....can we just deport them? obviously they arent citizens. I have an uncle who is fijian, he came to the US, is now a US citizen and he is one of the few people, besides the ones i served with in the Marines and serve with in fire fighting, that has such awesome respect and love for this country and this country's Flag. I find it sickening that someone who lives and works here can make claims towards our flag or this country and then hide under his rights given by this flag and this country as a way to justify it. If you are one of those fire fighters and get on this site and read this post, know that you make me sick. Hiding behind religious beliefs as a way to avoid doing your job because the flag of the great country that gives you such rights is hanging on your fire truck is just a cop out and appalling.

FF_ONG
Be safe out there my brothers.

These are only my opinions and do not reflect those of my departments.

[ 09-29-2001: Message edited by: FF_ONG ]

**Grit76** · 10-02-2001, 03:45 PM

bringin this back to see if you have an update cap

**angwilley** · 10-06-2001, 10:08 PM

I, like most of you, feel these scumbags have the right to the freedoms that make this country so great...However nowhere in our rights does it say "have a right to be a firefighter (the best job in the world).

Just one more case of a loop hole in our great system that some lazy SOB is using to get something for nothing.

Stay safe

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