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  • CollegeBuff
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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI issued a warning to firefighters across the country Tuesday that terrorists could hijack their trucks and use them as bombs.

    The FBI warning said fire and emergency services vehicles could be stolen by terrorist groups and turned into rolling bombs aimed at military bases or other government installations.

    The FBI asked fire departments to review the security of their stations and vehicles. If a vehicle is stolen, stations were asked to immediately notify the FBI.

    The FBI did not say there was any specific and credible threat that caused it to issue the warning.

    One official said the FBI is exercising "an abundance of caution" and is passing on all information it is gleaning from interviews and tips, "regardless of the reliability of the source."

    Some firefighters told CNN their vehicles -- even those carrying patients -- have been stopped and searched upon entering medical facilities.

    The warning came through the National Volunteer Fire Council and the International Association of Fire Chiefs.

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  • larry cook
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    Dalmation, Mongo, RJE,
    Guys some great post. I think a key thing here is to prepare and to prepare more. We are the hunters and the hunted now. A few terrorist attack can demoralilize us really bad if we let it. This is one thing that will not go away. I believe that we will have these problem from now on. One thing that we must guard against is becoming complacent and letting our guard down. We will always be the first called. I must also say that we need to be ever watchful and alertful of whoever we come in contact with.
    I think good watch woords for emergency services people are "Always Alert and Ready"
    Thanks for letting me spout off. Pray for American
    Larry

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  • RJE
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    Firetrucks present an interesting perspective, from their "access". How many times in a movie have you seen a perp 1) impersonate a cop or 2) steal a police car.

    Also scary (and quite plausible) is stealing a big rig full of hazmat (gasoline?) and rigging it to blow. Wouldn't even take much.

    Point is, there are a million ways that a terrorist could attack us. This is why some people scoff at the increased "airport security" measures and talk of tapping phones and such.

    It all comes back to the "neighborhood watch" concept. The cops can't be everywhere, and the best protection is due vigilance. IE, we need to watch each other's backs, and report ANY unusual activity.

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  • Dalmatian90
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    We have terrorist cells here in America????????
    Yes. And we've had saboteurs operating (not very effectively) here in World War I and II. They're greatest enemy is vigilance -- not violation of civil rights, but simply being on guard.

    And they are going to steal fire trucks and EMS rigs???
    OK, they stole an airplane. Do you think they'd hesitate to steal a fire truck if they thought they could use?

    Day to day security we should be using on our trucks is the best thing we could do to thwart such actions. For the last several years our Ambulances have had anti-theft devices (driver leaves rig running, takes key with him into the hospital. Don't put key in the ignition but step on the brake to shift out of PARK, the engine shuts down.) Not for terrorists, but to keep a pysch patient running out of the ER, or anyone else, from driving off with our ambulance.

    My department also protects a State Correctional Institute...without going into any details, yes we have specific actions and procedures we do anytime we go inside the doors or inside the fence line to protect our equipment from theft. Last thing you want is an inmate with a pair of paramedic shears or a halligan bar we can't account for. Think about how you can protect your equipment if it has to be left unattended.

    I'm sure many of you by now have figured out I really disagree with a lot of the self-dispatching and hunting around to find a security check point that would allow you in that occured and probably is still occuring in NYC. Think of how much damage a stolen firetruck, turned into a truckbomb, would've done if it was driven in as a secondary explosive after the collapse? We've already taken out the first string of FDNY's command staff...here goes the second string. For that matter, even a backpack bomb or god forbid a backpack (they're not really "briefcase" nukes -- they weigh at least 50lbs) nuke would've done. So don't get surprised if your asked as your rushing in without being officially called "Who the hell are you, and what the f*ck are you doing here?" which is just what the challenge should be. The terrorists aren't after strategic or tactical targets but shock value...don't hand them an oppurtonity on a silver platter to take out another thousand or more rescuers.

    What on earth are they planning to do?
    Attempt to demoralize the U.S. They don't know us very well, do they??? But they'll continue trying.

    They aren't going to kill firefighters now are they??
    Um, they already have killed 300+.

    We don't have to be scared, but we do have to remember what every TV District Attorney looks for -- Means, Motive, and Oppurtonity. We can't do much in the short term on motive -- that's a political complex issue to deal with diplomatically and economically in the middle east. Means we can secure, and Oppurtonity we can deny by vigilance.

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  • Michelle Latham
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    We have terrorist cells here in America???????? And they are going to steal fire trucks and EMS rigs??? What on earth are they planning to do? They aren't going to kill firefighters now are they??

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  • mongofire_99
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    Michelle Latham

    But what about China and Russia?

    They'll support us.

    Look back ten years ago, bin laden was our allie.

    Ten years before that sadam was our allie.

    Ten years before that, Iran...

    The economic problems we could cause them not withstanding, if Russia and China don't stand with us now, they know that it will be them next. History shows that every country that coddles to terrorist faces the wrath of those same terrorist.

    For example, France wouldn't let us fly over to bomb Libia after PA103 because they didn't want to **** off the terrorist. In the following years, they got hit several times by terrorist.

    As far as nukes, I don't think it will happen as that is a big political decision, nukes are no longer tactical weapons in my view. One must really be stupid to think they could get away with it. But then again, you can never underestimate the actions of stupid people.

    If it does though, most likely it will be a dirty nuke, which is simply some radioactive material spread by an explosion, or a few suitcase/tactical size bombs that make a big mess, but aren't comparable to the city busters which we would have every right to retaliate with. We have the nukes to wipe the taliban out and move their refugees into taliban houses in just a few days - neutron nukes leave very little fallout and do little structural damage.

    Dalmation90

    Great post

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  • larry cook
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    Let me throw some more thoughts in here. As mentioned before, there are several nuclear weapons out in the world and we do not know who has control of them. I wish that i could see the future but i can't. I beleive that there will be more strikes against us before we can get this solved. You must remember that we have this group of terrorist out there who does not care if they live are die. They want to see heaven. I want to see heaven too. But not the way they are doing it. They are extremist and will do anything to acheive their goal. I am not too worried about the nukes, but i am worried about the terrorist cells in this country. I hate to say it but now may be the time to stop letting people come to our nation. at least until we can wipe out the cells on our soil.
    I know that American is made up of many different nationalties, but we must tighten up our securety. I hope that we do not get complacent again. I read that two maintance men and a pilot busted a securety check in Phoenix. They went thru the checkpoint and then told airport personal about it. This was on Saturday. The airport said that they should not have tried to breach sercrutiy.
    You can see how good security was 4 days after they were supposed to have beefed it up. The airport did not learn anything from Tuesday. We have got to wake up. and also have yall received any notices about terrorist may try to steal fire equipment and ems equipment and try to bomb military bases. we received notices yesterday and plan on keeping one person at the station when there is an alarm.
    I pray that no more emergency personel will nver get killed at disasters like Tuesday.

    I know that God has taken all of the emergency peseronel into heaven and his arms.

    God Bless The USA
    Larry

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  • TruroFAO
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    Dalmation brings up some very good points. I always knew Matt was an intelligent fire service member, but his political thought process is well constructed as well...If I could add just a couple things....

    The Central Asian Republics (three former Russian states which formed the underbelly of the former Soviet Union) may not as stable as many think. The Taliban has been trying to spread nothward into the CAR, and their is at current a bloody civil war in progress in Kyrgestan, I think... The democratic governments are under heavy fire from Taliban insureance, and several Taliban strongholds exist in southern areas of these states...Also, Tajikistan has refused requests for help from the United States...They are a weak country, this is true...But their location is strategic, and they do posses 'loose' nuclear weaponry in several areas of the country, which the Defense Department feels may be in the hands of rogue cell hands...

    Also, with regards to China...They have recently (like, within the last couple months) signed an agreement with the Taliban, to share technology and other resources...I too would seriously doubt China would take sides against the US (especially given their precarious situation with the WTO), but it is something we need to consider.

    Nuclear war? Nope....Mutually asured destruction theory says so...But I would also echo sentiment that this isn't a clean cut problem. We're not fighting a clear enemy like Iraq or Japan..The enemy is not a state, or even a religion. It is many cells with an apparent axe to grind. We're not after Afghanistan, or Muslims. We're after a small cell of extremists who purportrated this. I would respectfully caution people to not succomb to the anxiety of the situation. Islam does not condone violence. The world didn't go around beating up white males when McVeigh blew up the Murrah Federal Building. In the same respect, we can not go around beating up every Muslim or Arab we see...Our response whould be swift, harsh and leave no doubt. But, it must be controlled.

    Continued prayers for those affected by the tragedy....

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  • toneloc177
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    Who really knows what the morning will bring us.

    Nukes? I don't think anyone can say for sure. I sure as hell wouldn't want any dropped anywhere, . . . but remember what happened to the Japanese when they took on Pearl Harbor's MILITARY OUTPOST, against MILITARY TARGETS!!! This attack was on a NON-MILITARY OUTPOST i.e. "OFFICE BUILDING", during supposed peace time, against CIVILIANS!!!!!!! Hello?!?!?!?!?!

    How strong are your feelings about nuclear weapons now? Solid?

    It's anyones quess as to what is going to happen, and up to the rest of the world to see how far and long this thing goes.

    Bottom line, be safe, and pray.

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  • akfireman
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    Michelle, I too understand your worry, i too am a desert storm vet, and i too am "tucked away up here in alaska". I think that you should listen to what the others here have said and keep an eye on the news and what you can find on the news channels on the internet. All is not lost and just like when Chris died, you will get through this, but it will take time. yes i knew Chris too and am saddened when any fireman dies (ask chief Bobo about me), let alone hundreds of them at once. We will as a nation and as a wonderfull group of the most dedicated people in the world get through this. Keep your chin up, head held high and lets just wait and see what the future holds. I ask that everyone keep praying our brothers and sisters are still alive and that they will be rescued soon.

    Andy

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  • FFWALT
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    Theoretically, due to the destabilization of the former USSR there are some unacountted for nuclear weapons out there and rougue states or movements may have them in their possession. Will they be used? That I seriously doubt will happen. The reason being, 90% of the world condemned these attacks and back us, this includes all of NATO who considered it an attack on all of NATO. Of the remaining 10% of the world, only a small part support these acts and the other part wants to remain neutral. If nuclear weapons were to be used it would affect the entire world and then it would be one country against the world. Not good odds. Another thing to keep in mind is that this is not going to be a Desert Storm type of war. We are not fighting nations, we are fighting movements within these nations. It will take time to track these people down and kill them, one cell at a time. If the country harbors and protects these people then you may have some larger actions but primarily it will be small and limited strikes. The more civilians that die with the terrorist the less support we will have. This will not be fast and it will not be easy. Just my thoughts.

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  • truckie_ladderco_147
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    More than likely Russia and China will just yell and shake their fists at us if they dont agree.Face it we need each other.Like the guy before me said they need trade and so do we so we will just wage political "war"with words with them.
    No need to worry Michelle,I have been here too.I was a Gulf War vet and I heard how we were going to have our ***'es handed to us by Sadaam.Well we didnt because we had competent military and government officals backing us up.So look out Taliban and to Dalmation90's earlier post.I believe the Taliban screwed up royally! By killing the leader of the rebels they have made them throw in with us.Last news report 30,000 troops from them are on the way south.Pakis are working with them going after Bin Laden.Looks to be bad news for the Taliban.But only time will tell.

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  • trumpeter75
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    It's perfectly normal to be anxious and worried, especially after a tragedy such as we've suffered. It's part of the helaing process, it will pass.

    I'm not to concerned about nukes, myself. What does give me pause is the situation between Pakistan and India. Both are now nuclear powers, albeit with short-range weapons. We've got to tread VERY carefully in our dealings with thses two countries in the next few months; they've historically gone to war for seemingly trivial things.

    I think Russia could become involved militarily, in several ways. 1. Overflights and troop staging. 2. High-level military conferences in which they discuss their experiences in Afghanistan. 3. Direct military involvement. I think any or all of the three could be in the cards.

    What we need to remember, I think is that any military action initiated by the U.S. will be a multi-national affair involving several European powers. Almost a given is British involvement, and I'm starting to think Germany might do more than just allow basing and overflights. Neither China nor Russia wants to rock the boat too much by opposing a NATO members' coalition...they both rely too much on foreign trade and hard currency. At the worst, they'll stay neutral and do nothing.

    I really don't think we really have anything to worry about except the idea that the American people will lose interest and their support of our troops will suffer. Public opinion will be VERY important, and the government needs to show that they are taking effective action.

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  • Dalmatian90
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    Russia would actively support military action if asked...they have an axe to grind with the Taliban. Plus an extremist government in Afghanistan will tend to destablize the islamic Central Aisan Republics between Afghanistan and Russia. Honestly suspect if asked the Russians would allow us a narrow flight corridor so we could strike Afghan targets from Thule, Greenland (it's not that far going over the northpole...)

    Similiarly China will at worst remain neutral. They have nothing to gain from having an extremist government on their western border, one that might stir internal troubles in that area.

    No problems foreseeable from either on Afghanistan if we focus on the Taliban. They may not take as active of a role if we start talking about Syria/Iraq area.

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  • Rescue 101
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    In a word No!Both have too much to lose for interfereing.T.C.

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