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  • Heres an interesting topic........Performance enhancement in the fire service

    So........ I personally know and have known a few firefighters where I live who use PEDS. yes folks... the dreaded word lol
    They are and excuse my french strong as ****... fast as ****..... cardio is ridiculously unreal like they are blood doping...... Im curious what are you thoughts as a fellow firefighter captain chief ect... do you look at it as I want someone in elite shape who can pull someone out of a fire if they go down and do not have to worry about them physically. and before anyone says steroids kill people........ please dont.. we all know they dont and there is not studies or proof that they do... Me,, I would be affraid they it would mess up my lipids and perhaps heart enlargement


    curious your thoughts... this could be good

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    According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, One of the more disturbing effects is the change that takes place in the emotional personality of the person. Steroid use causes severe mood swings, manic behavior, and violent rage. Is that really someone who you want to work alongside on the fire department?

    https://www.stationhouseretreat.com/...-fire-service/
    https://www.firefightingnews.com/ste...-firefighters/
    https://www.elitefitness.com/article...oids-use-rise/
    https://www.nj.com/news/2010/12/hund..._firefigh.html
    If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

    FF/EMT/DBP

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    • #3
      mean yes..... violent rage against who? the crew? doubtful i work with or have worked with guys who are scrawny and who are total dicks to the crew and patients so that argument is somewhat invalid. surprised more people havent chimed in since this is such a taboo topic

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      • #4
        So you don't think kidney, liver or heart damage could cause a firefighter to have a serious episode on the fireground, thereby risking the lives of other firefighters who now have to try to save him?
        Google is your friend. Go use it.
        Technique will trump strength in most cases.
        Nothing on the fireground is done or should be done at breakneck speed.

        Is this stupid topic even for real?

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        • #5
          Capt wth all due respect that **** can happen wo peds and yes this is a topic. Too many are afraid to address and the issue is real because I'd bet my house you managed a member who was on peds

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          • #6
            Originally posted by fireazm View Post
            Capt wth all due respect that **** can happen wo peds and yes this is a topic. Too many are afraid to address and the issue is real because I'd bet my house you managed a member who was on peds
            You can get lung cancer without smoking. That doesn't make smoking a good idea.

            I don't really think ANYONE is afraid to address this. It has been uniformly denounced far and wide as a significant health risk. I believe it is generally a banned substance. Talking steroids here. HGH may be different.

            I'm sure I've worked with guys who have done it. I'm even more sure that it doesn't make someone a better firefighter. Some of the absolute best firefighters I've ever known would not impress you one iota from a physical appearance standpoint.

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            • #7
              There's always going to be that guy (or girl) for whom "fit" isn't good enough. And some of them will go to extremes to reach their goals.

              In some ways, it's kind of a relative of anorexia.
              Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

              Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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              • #8
                I'll say it. I don't want to work with anyone taking performance enhancing drugs. PERIOD. Get in good enough shape to do the job by working out, doing cardio, working a physically challenging side job, but not drugs. The emotional instability is a key factor.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                • #9
                  Fyred I hear ya but i hate to break it to ya... I’d bet my whole house you do work with someone on them. I do agree on the emotional front but lemme poise this... and this isn’t to argue just in case anyone thinks so... lets say you go down in a fire god forbid. That ff who you are working with isn’t strong enough to pull you out...... now lets say there is a ff at your station who does but then comes to you a week later and says... i need to tell you something. I am taking this and that... what would your response be?

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                  • #10
                    And what if that same guy snaps and has a drug induced meltdown when I need him most? You see THAT is the skeleton in the closet that your scenario doesn't address. If one of my crew members told me he was taking performance enhancing drugs my confidence in them would go down as would my ability to trust them.
                    Crazy, but that's how it goes
                    Millions of people living as foes
                    Maybe it's not too late
                    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Fireazm2323 View Post
                      Fyred I hear ya but i hate to break it to ya... I’d bet my whole house you do work with someone on them. I do agree on the emotional front but lemme poise this... and this isn’t to argue just in case anyone thinks so... lets say you go down in a fire god forbid. That ff who you are working with isn’t strong enough to pull you out...... now lets say there is a ff at your station who does but then comes to you a week later and says... i need to tell you something. I am taking this and that... what would your response be?
                      So do you want us to endorse it or just accept it? There is a big difference between the two.
                      PED's come with health risks. Period. It has been well established. I don't want firefighters, or anyone else, using them. Same for alcohol, drugs, etc.
                      We all accept that guys do things we don't approve of. I've worked with guys who turned out to be alcohol or drug abusers, wife beaters, thieves, etc. Part of the package. But I'll never endorse it.

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                      • #12
                        i personally wouldnt say endorse it but i wouldnt care if a ff was on peds or not, his mental health is important yes and the agression is good on a fire yes, do i think he will snap on a crew i dont know... havent read enough studies on it and again... you would be highly surprised first off that A i gaurantee your dept you work for doesnt test for any peds and i bet also 99% dont in the usa hands down. alcohol and drug abusers i do agree is a big deal

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