Animal Liberation Front

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The Insurgent, a campus newspaper at the University of Oregon in Eugene, paid for by student fees, recently printed an insert from the Animal Liberation Front that advised that ARSON should be used as a tool to satisfy their mission to stop the explotation of animals. They have suggested using arson at places such as "fur shops, butcher shops, factory farms or slaughter houses, or maybe a fast-food resaurant."

They then tried to caution their readers by stating "be positive that no human or nonhuman animals be hurt in the blaze."

I have notified the Eugene Oregon Fire Department through their web site and both the Insurgent and the ALF of how dangerous this practice is. I also warned them that if I had the opportunity to catch one of their agents in my jurisdiction commiting arson, that I would do what I could to make them accessories to the arson and prosecute them as well.

I encourage all who read this to be careful. These folks do not care about anything but their cause and will by their actions potentially cause injury and death to our brothers and sisters.

I also encourage you to contact these organizations via e-mail and let them know of your displeasure.

[PAVolunteer]

Can't the editors/staff of the Insurgent be charged w/ some sort of conspiracy charge? Is it not illegal to advise someone to commit a crime?

[nonameFF]

If you look around, ALF or ELF (Earth) or some similar wacko group has a manual on line on how to start arson fires with electronic timers ....

[BucksEng91]

More enviro-wackos. It wasn't enough to indirectly kill four wildland firefighters through interference caused by the "Endangered" Species Act.

Now it seems they want to kill some structural firefighters, too.

You have to really wonder about people who care more about animals than they do people. They're sociopaths, plain and simple.

[mtnfireguy]

ALF and their parent groups ELF have been around for many years destroying buildings, animal reasearch facitilites and logging equipment primarily in the West, but also in other areas of the US. Arson is their tool of choice and much of their informaion is available on-line.

There has not been much success finding those who actually set the fires or bringing anyone to justice.

And while a good thought "amaf" contacting these organizations and expressing your displeasure will only amuse them.

[res7cue]

I recently had a conversation =, if you can call it that with a member of ELF.

During this conversation, he made it quite clear that their organization was willing to do WHATEVER was needed to express their views, regardless of the outcome.

I asked him about the recent fires and what would his thoughts were if a Firefighter was killed in the course of the fire and his response was " O well, maybe that will get us more attention."

I had consumed a few cold ones and had it not been for my wife, I surely would have taken him to the woodshed.

I think the authorities need to prosecute ANY and ALL organizations that admit that they are associated with ELF. Any association with this organization means that you support their activities.

[gah74]

I just checked out the ALF website and found their info on setting arson fires. That really ****es me off. I don't even have anything constructive to say about this. I also looked at celebrities that supported this group. Mark McGuire was on the list as well as many others. What a sorry bastard!

[SilverCity4]

For those of you interested, go to animalliberationfront.com and get to the "ALF Primer". Go to the "arson" section.

Sick people. If my family caught them "liberating" our cattle (or setting fire to a building), they would run the risk of being "liberated" from the living world.

If they want to chew on celery the rest of their lives and love lab rats, fine. Don't endanger people's lives for that crap. Sheesh!

And what's that crap under the "crimes" section about all of those people that were cruel to animals and killed people?! I'm sure that animal cruelty may be a SIGN of mental problems, but doesn't prior criminal behavior (i.e. setting arson fires, breaking and entering, etc) also raise a warning flag? I'll bet every one of the people on that list ate vegetables as a kid, too...

[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Silver City 4 ]

[hctrouble25]

You are kidding right?! This is insane...they could seriously hurt or kill some innocent people, and could kill one of us! What the hell are they thinking. I work in the animal research field where new drug compounds are tested on animals from rats to dogs and I have to tell you that when I first started I was a little leary about this. But then someone said to me...OK send you mom in and we will do the testing on her. I was horrified. But they made their point. Animal testing is done to ensure safety of products that humans will use. It is no different than the food chain. I love it when I see PETA members wearing leather belts, shoes, etc. Give me a break. Can we say hypocrites!? This group needs to be stopped before someone gets killed!

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mtnfireguy,
Yes I am sure that these enviro wackers have been around for a long time and I know how hard it is to prove arson as well, but if I remember wasn't a recent fire set by one of these groups in Oregon or Washington state advertizing the fact that they had something to do about the fire? Didn't they paint something on the wall of the burning building that said basically that they did the arson?

More importantly what upsets me is that the newspaper that printed this stuff is a paper that is supported by fees that all student at the University of Oregon at Eugene have to pay. Again, this smacks of the liberal commun....ops, democrats who tend to run todays universities, using funds for organizations and causes that are collected from those who probably do not support these same causes, and disguise these fees as something other than what they really are.

A University newspaper should not be printing crap like this. "The Insurgent, is a campus newspaper at the University of Oregon in Eugene, is paid for by student fees." September 2001 edition of the Readers Digest, page 132. Look it up.

If these enviro wackers want to print this stuff and send it to anyone that wants to listen to their crap, then okay. Even if they want to put it on the web, then so be it. I watch what my kids see on TV and the web and monitor to make sure that this stuff isn't seen by them. But I wonder what a parent feels when they have been told that part of the $10,000.00 they just paid for junior to go to college, was just used to further the cause of these people.

As far as amusing them, I hope that I did. I don't write stuff on here that I don't mean and if I get the chance, justice will be served. I have a lot of money and I'm willing to spend it if necessary. The Distict Attorneys office here in Montgomery County is one of the best in the country. Their conviction rate on murder and homicide is the best in the state. Like my father says, "Don't try me boy, you may not like the result."

[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: amfm ]

[nonameFF]

Originally posted by amfm:
Again, this smacks of the liberal commun....ops, democrats who tend to run todays universities, [ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: amfm ]

Ah, when you can't make an argument, blame the democrats.

Quite frankly, all blame aside, you can't stop the paper from printing. First amendment issues. The only ones who can affect the newspaper are the students who run it. Apparently, they want this info out there.

Having participated in a college paper years ago, we ran into trouble when someone wanted to advertise that the editorial board objected to the message. Apparently the courts have (over years and years) held that newspapers pretty much have to accept all advertising in accordance with the rates they set.

amfm (radio?) you said it was an insert. Was it an ad in the print of the paper or something on a separate piece of paper inserted within? If it was the second, I wonder if the paper authorized it or did the group just place them there on the newsstand?

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no_name_ff,
The article states, "It (meaning the Insurgent)printed an insert from the Animal Liberation Front advising, "First you may want to decide what kind of establishment you want to target-a fur shop, a butcher shop, a factory farm or slaughter house, or maybe a fast-food restaurant?""

It seems that it was printed. Read my post again. I am more upset that the fees paid for by the students/students parents are used to support the newspaper that printed this crap.

And I guess I hit a nerve. I have spent many years on college campuses and I have seen more liberals teaching and directing Universities than conservatives. Maybe it was just the schools that I went to?

[mtnfireguy]

Originally posted by amfm:
mtnfireguy,
Yes I am sure that these enviro wackers have been around for a long time and I know how hard it is to prove arson as well, but if I remember wasn't a recent fire set by one of these groups in Oregon or Washington state advertizing the fact that they had something to do about the fire? Didn't they paint something on the wall of the burning building that said basically that they did the arson?

Yes...the did spray paint ALF around the area, but Law Enforcement was unable to pin it on a person. Environmentalist (ELF) were also tied to the fire in Vail Colorado that did over 20 million in damage. No one charged yet. These people cover their tracks well.

And I understand your frustration with the paper.

[KyraE]

I think I may be in the minority here when I say that I am against animale cruelty and that I don't believe in using animals for testing. But ALF has gone, and continues to go, WAY beyond any constructive point of protest. Always, HUMAN LIFE over everything. Their arson and vandalism is dangerous and pointless and makes their entire cause seem violent and "nutty." Not only are they putting people and property at risk, they setting back any progress peaceful animal rights advocates have made. In other words, they f*cked up.

[larrycook]

As Bucks said here we go again. I have work with a friend who is a vet. I have been with him to some vet schools. These schools do research using animals. this research is used to help find cures for animal diseases. a sideline of that is research on human diseases. Many diseases of humans are also carried by animals. I remember back in the late 1950's and early 1960's research was done to prevent screw worm infestations. I do not imagin that these animal rights people have every seen animals dying from screw worms or even humans. Many people do not know that brucellous can be passed from animals to humans thru milk. We have at one time almost wiped it from the earth.
These wakos must leave well enough. they might catch something sometime that there is know cure for. i will bet they will be the first to cry. They may burn them selves if they play with fire.
LC