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    Morminh/evenoh/whatever it is guys

    I am writing a Uniform SOG for my POC ambo company. Included in that policy will be a requirement for badges.

    My question is, I know both Smith & Warren and Blackinton make an excellent product, however I was wondering if anyone was aware of a badge company that caters to the more frugal service? Pricing out badges, and I have a feeling my director is going to sh*t circles around herself if they best I can do is $63 a pop

    Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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    Aside from a generic EMS badge (generally under $20), I think that's pretty much your choices. And the prices only go up from $63 if you add any features. A dual tone badge can run upwards of $140...

    If you're talking a dress-type uniform, that's pretty much what you're stuck with, from what I've seen. I found a couple of other manufacturers, but they didn't list prices... Some folks subscribe to the philosophy "if you have to ask, you can't afford it..."

    If you're talking a daily duty uniform another option might be to settle on a badge design and get some for the folks who are most likely to need a "real" badge for appearances sake (press conferences, meetings, etc) for starters. For everyone else, perhaps you can get a patch company to duplicate the badge as a patch. They would probably be better for your everyday duty uniform, and would probably come in under $5 per, depending on quantity.

    I've seen this done, even to the point of embroidering the badge directly on apparel.

    Once you get that accomplished, you can buy a few real badges each year as your budget allows until you've got everyone covered.

    If you have folks who won't have a badge for a specific event, and if you haven't personalized the badges, a little borrowing will allow full coverage, once you have enough to do that.

    If someone gets the idea to design a custom badge for the agency, the set-up fee is somewhere between $1500 and $2000, but that's a one-time charge.
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    • #3
      I guess my question would be what is the intent of having the badges? For special events like PR, parades, and sadly funerals? Or as a basic addition to everyone's uniform shirt? I know your ambo does not wear a uniform shirt, but rather t-shirts, sweatshirts or jackets on calls. Sp perhaps initially as mentioned above you buy 6 or 12 badges and loan them out for events and get them back when the event is over. Or if someone wants their own right away they could buy their own with the initial order.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
        I guess my question would be what is the intent of having the badges? For special events like PR, parades, and sadly funerals? Or as a basic addition to everyone's uniform shirt?
        All of the above. I'm writing a policy regarding appropriate dress for duty, appropriate dress for parades/PR/Events, and appropriate dress for funerals.

        Originally posted by tree68 View Post
        Aside from a generic EMS badge (generally under $20), I think that's pretty much your choices. And the prices only go up from $63 if you add any features. A dual tone badge can run upwards of $140...
        Oh trust me, I know... Or at least I thought I knew. Then I priced out the badge I would like us to use, versus what we will likely go with and I couldn't believe it. I'm trying like HELL to avoid the generic EMS badges because in my opinion they are gigantic and tacky as hell.

        Originally posted by tree68 View Post
        ...most likely to need a "real" badge for appearances sake (press conferences, meetings, etc) for starters. Once you get that accomplished, you can buy a few real badges each year as your budget allows until you've got everyone covered.

        If you have folks who won't have a badge for a specific event, and if you haven't personalized the badges, a little borrowing will allow full coverage, once you have enough to do that.
        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
        So perhaps initially as mentioned above you buy 6 or 12 badges and loan them out for events and get them back when the event is over. Or if someone wants their own right away they could buy their own with the initial order.
        This is likely what will be done initially, just for costs sake. I'm not privy to the uniform budget the service has, so buying in stages may very well be what happens.

        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
        Or if someone wants their own right away they could buy their own with the initial order.
        Adding to the point about buying several each year, I guess that all depends on who the director determines is responsible for purchasing the badge. Personally, what I am pushing for is the service buys the badges, and the member buys their name bar. It would be a standard badge for the service, not personalized for an individual. When you join the service you're issued a badge. When you leave, you return the badge. If you would like to keep your badge, you simply purchase it from the service. That way there hopefully won't be much turnover for badges needed, because they are either being returned to the service to be reused, or the individual paid for it and the service can buy a replacement. And then the members buy their name bars, in compliance with the uniform SOG, as that is a personalized item.


        I assumed as much that Smith & Warren or Blackinton were still the "standard." I was just curious if there were any companies out there offering a more competitive price. I appreciate the input from both of you.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Chenzo View Post
          [COLOR=#ff0000][I]Adding to the point about buying several each year, I guess that all depends on who the director determines is responsible for purchasing the badge. Personally, what I am pushing for is the service buys the badges, and the member buys their name bar.
          When we got Class A's a year or so ago, we also bought new badges (because the dozen or so I had donated over time apparently didn't look "official" enough to a few folks) and it was made plain that the new style badge was the only one authorized. I went out and bought my own "past chief" version of that new model and will wear it when appropriate. It also has my name on it. Right now, I'm VP and have a badge that says so.

          IF you allow members to purchase their own shield, I would suggest that you specify that it must be an XYZ model 1234 badge, in {name your color - including finish} if there's space on the badge, perhaps you could allow such individuals to have their employee number or perhaps their name on the shield.

          In the future, you could always have a nice two-toned badge with fancy lettering made for a long-time member when they retire.

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          • #6
            Dress uniforms are typically expensive..... Shirt, pants, jacket, tie, shoes, belt, badge, collar bars, name tag, etc. does everyone need one? most EMS personnel will rarely need one for special event, the exception might be a chief or agency head who goes to a lot of meetings.

            You can "cheat" and get away with a long sleeve button down shirt, clip on tie, uniform pants, and dress shoes, and that can cover most instances.

            How many parades are you really going to? how many people go? how many funerals do you go to a year? is it worth the investment? Do you really want to wear dress whites for PR events?

            As a personal rule, I am 100% in favor of badges, and 100% against field personnel wearing any real badges or brass on a uniform shirt. cloth badges and name tape are much more preferred, especially for those who are doing the work; let the white shirted office personnel look all shiny for the cameras.

            They look great on a dress uniform, as well as for a retirement center piece. they should be owned by the agency, and returned upon separation. If someone refuses to return it, they should have law enforcement file theft charges to retrieve it. But they are definitely expensive to set up initially.
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            • #7
              Try pricing through Paul Conway out of WI. I was very surprised how much less their badge pricing was than others for Smith and Warren.
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