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  • Originally posted by captnjak View Post

    No. It is you who is missing it. Auto aid or mutual aid doesn't matter unless the appropriate response time frame is met. How do you define "close departments"? What percentage of your coverage area can be adequately addressed within an acceptable time frame (let's go with eight minutes to arrival)?
    Uh, it's MY dept., so I KNOW how close the other FD's are. I wouldn't be saying the things I'm saying if I didn't know the facts of the matter. 80-90% of the township is within at least 8 miles of the closest automatic aid stations. We have full time depts on 3 sides of our township, and one dept on the side which doesn't have a full time dept., but does have a day shift. So that's a total of 8 stations from 5 FD's to draw from. And that's not counting a couple of VFD's. Much of our township where we have hydrants is rated ISO 5, the rest is 8, but we're working on getting that to a rating of 5 also. We've scheduled to get an assessment done next summer, and we're pretty confident we'll get upgraded. All of our township runs have run cards that go pretty deep, so there's no delay if a unit is tied up on a run, it's automatically replaced.

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    • Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post

      The problem with nursing is while the supply lines are being disconnected from tanker 1 and reconnected to tanker 2, the pump operator must switch to his own tank (assuming he refilled it while he was being supplied) and then switch back to the supply line once it back in operation. is this especially complicated? No. But it does put a little more pressure and stress on the pump operator to perform the switch over correctly every time - especially if there are folks operating interior.

      One solution to that issue that I introduced at one of my VFDs is to put a Siamese at the supply end of the line. As Tanker 1 pumps off to the Siamese, Tanker 2 connects to the other side and comes up to pressure. As soon as tanker 1 shuts down, the clapper for Tanker 1 closes and the clapper for Tanker 2 opens and the water supply is uninterrupted. Tanker 1 disconnects and when Tanker 3 pulls up, he connects to the Siamese and comes up to pressureand then when Tanker 2 runs out of water, Tanker 3 then supplies the line..

      I agree that the time for the tankers to arrive on scene is an issue, even if they are coming from a fulltime department. Other calls, weather, traffic, or simply getting lost are all variables that can certainly mess up a well laid out plan. I think you almost have to commit a tanker with the attack engine at the top of the driveway and maybe even a second if there is room.
      It's standard to have a 5" gated wye, or even a tri-gate valve around here for nurse tanker operations. As for committing a tanker, that's always nice if you can. We have Ipads on our trucks so we have satellite imagery to see if that's possible before we get there, not to mention a lot of guys know a lot of these places anyway. Our engine tanker also is equipped fully to operate as an engine company, so there's more equipment there if we can bring it up too.
      But we also are well versed in dump tank operations too.

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      • Originally posted by johnsb View Post
        Uh, it's MY dept., so I KNOW how close the other FD's are. I wouldn't be saying the things I'm saying if I didn't know the facts of the matter. 80-90% of the township is within at least 8 miles of the closest automatic aid stations. We have full time depts on 3 sides of our township, and one dept on the side which doesn't have a full time dept., but does have a day shift. So that's a total of 8 stations from 5 FD's to draw from. And that's not counting a couple of VFD's. Much of our township where we have hydrants is rated ISO 5, the rest is 8, but we're working on getting that to a rating of 5 also. We've scheduled to get an assessment done next summer, and we're pretty confident we'll get upgraded. All of our township runs have run cards that go pretty deep, so there's no delay if a unit is tied up on a run, it's automatically replaced.
        I'm glad you KNOW the facts. It is not my intent to doubt your knowledge. But the point is response time. You didn't answer that. How many of these resources meet the 8 minute standard?

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        • Originally posted by captnjak View Post

          I'm glad you KNOW the facts. It is not my intent to doubt your knowledge. But the point is response time. You didn't answer that. How many of these resources meet the 8 minute standard?
          Let it go. He is so sure he is right he won't even listen anymore. I'm sure you have better things to do like tell the rook to wash your chief's car!!
          Crazy, but that's how it goes
          Millions of people living as foes
          Maybe it's not too late
          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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          • Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

            Let it go. He is so sure he is right he won't even listen anymore. I'm sure you have better things to do like tell the rook to wash your chief's car!!
            If they need to be told that there's a problem! And they never need to be told. The kids are great. Some of the guys who have been around a while maybe not so much.

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            • Originally posted by captnjak View Post

              I'm glad you KNOW the facts. It is not my intent to doubt your knowledge. But the point is response time. You didn't answer that. How many of these resources meet the 8 minute standard?
              Most of the township can get that response. The part that can't is mostly farmland with nothing on it. Wouldn't be saying what I say if I didn't know my own district.

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              • Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                Let it go. He is so sure he is right he won't even listen anymore. I'm sure you have better things to do like tell the rook to wash your chief's car!!
                I like how you're going to tell ME what I KNOW ABOUT MY OWN BACKYARD...
                You've never seen me tell you what your dept. can and can't do, but I guess you're special.

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                • Originally posted by johnsb View Post

                  I like how you're going to tell ME what I KNOW ABOUT MY OWN BACKYARD...
                  You've never seen me tell you what your dept. can and can't do, but I guess you're special.
                  Dude...let it go. Honestly it doesn't matter to me what you think you can do.
                  Crazy, but that's how it goes
                  Millions of people living as foes
                  Maybe it's not too late
                  To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                  • Originally posted by johnsb View Post

                    Most of the township can get that response. The part that can't is mostly farmland with nothing on it. Wouldn't be saying what I say if I didn't know my own district.
                    Thanks for the response. And I will repeat yet again that I have no intention whatsoever of doubting your knowledge about your response area. I simply was asking you to share some of that knowledge.

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                    • Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                      Dude...let it go. Honestly it doesn't matter to me what you think you can do.
                      But yet you come back time after time with a response... and it's what I KNOW we can do, but you want to keep telling me what I can't do.
                      Is it me, or do you just have a burr up your butt? I may be wrong, but weren't you the one who years ago accused me of being a sales rep just because I said I liked Pierce trucks??? You definitely have a chip on your shoulder about something.

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                      • Originally posted by captnjak View Post

                        Thanks for the response. And I will repeat yet again that I have no intention whatsoever of doubting your knowledge about your response area. I simply was asking you to share some of that knowledge.
                        That's what I'm trying to do. And I've got to say, I've learned more about pump operations and water supply from this rural VFD than I have from my paid metro dept.

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                        • Originally posted by johnsb View Post

                          But yet you come back time after time with a response... and it's what I KNOW we can do, but you want to keep telling me what I can't do.
                          Is it me, or do you just have a burr up your butt? I may be wrong, but weren't you the one who years ago accused me of being a sales rep just because I said I liked Pierce trucks??? You definitely have a chip on your shoulder about something.
                          It's you and you seem to have a burr up your butt. You are the one who has repeatedly come back to months dead topics to encite some new battle with me.

                          its really simple...if I bother you so much just block me. Although I know you won't because you enjoy the dance of the battle.

                          Have a nice evening.
                          Crazy, but that's how it goes
                          Millions of people living as foes
                          Maybe it's not too late
                          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                          • Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                            It's you and you seem to have a burr up your butt. You are the one who has repeatedly come back to months dead topics to encite some new battle with me.

                            its really simple...if I bother you so much just block me. Although I know you won't because you enjoy the dance of the battle.

                            Have a nice evening.
                            I have a burr up my butt...

                            RIIIGGGHHHTTT

                            I'm not the one telling you what your FD can and cannot do. You might as well just start calling your self SCfire...
                            I see you didn't deny your false accusations... And it hasn't been months either. It's the same old thing with you, slinging **** because you've got some kind of personal problem.

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                            • Originally posted by johnsb View Post

                              I have a burr up my butt...

                              RIIIGGGHHHTTT

                              I'm not the one telling you what your FD can and cannot do. You might as well just start calling your self SCfire...
                              I see you didn't deny your false accusations... And it hasn't been months either. It's the same old thing with you, slinging **** because you've got some kind of personal problem.
                              11 days after the last post on this topic here you are yet again stirring the pot with your insane rantings. Dude if I bother you so much stop reading what I post and for the love of God stop posting to me. Firehouse.com has a feature where you can block me, might I once again suggest you use it?

                              Frankly, I couldn't begin to pretend to care less what you believe you can do. It has zero effect on me or my fire departments.
                              Crazy, but that's how it goes
                              Millions of people living as foes
                              Maybe it's not too late
                              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                              • Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                                11 days after the last post on this topic here you are yet again stirring the pot with your insane rantings. Dude if I bother you so much stop reading what I post and for the love of God stop posting to me. Firehouse.com has a feature where you can block me, might I once again suggest you use it?

                                Frankly, I couldn't begin to pretend to care less what you believe you can do. It has zero effect on me or my fire departments.
                                Did you ever stop to think that people like you posting your idiotic posts are why people don't get on this site very often anymore??? I'm in no big hurry to see what your latest ignorant post is.
                                Have you always been a jerk like this, or did you have to work at it??? If you don't care what my dept. can do, why did you comment on it in the first place?? YOU stirred up crap first, then are whining when I defend myself and my dept. I'll stop when you stop.

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