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  • Originally posted by johnsb View Post

    See, you missed it too. Our tankers are coming AUTOMATIC, not mutual aid. I've said all that. And the closest one is a full time dept. Three of our closest FD's are fulltime, and there are others not too far away either. We don't necessarily have to use dump tanks either, as 90% of the tankers around here are engine tankers, not just dump tankers, so we can use our tanker as a nurse tanker.
    No. It is you who is missing it. Auto aid or mutual aid doesn't matter unless the appropriate response time frame is met. How do you define "close departments"? What percentage of your coverage area can be adequately addressed within an acceptable time frame (let's go with eight minutes to arrival)?


    • Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

      Golly you mean like running the first tender up the driveway to pump to the attack engine? Then using that tender in essence as a relay pumper with its tank refilled in case something happens to your relay?

      Honest;ly never been a fan of pumping off tenders as a long term water supply. Too much time sitting on scene when they could be running for more water after they dumped. I'm not saying it can't work, just seems slower than dumping and running.

      The problem with nursing is while the supply lines are being disconnected from tanker 1 and reconnected to tanker 2, the pump operator must switch to his own tank (assuming he refilled it while he was being supplied) and then switch back to the supply line once it back in operation. is this especially complicated? No. But it does put a little more pressure and stress on the pump operator to perform the switch over correctly every time - especially if there are folks operating interior.

      One solution to that issue that I introduced at one of my VFDs is to put a Siamese at the supply end of the line. As Tanker 1 pumps off to the Siamese, Tanker 2 connects to the other side and comes up to pressure. As soon as tanker 1 shuts down, the clapper for Tanker 1 closes and the clapper for Tanker 2 opens and the water supply is uninterrupted. Tanker 1 disconnects and when Tanker 3 pulls up, he connects to the Siamese and comes up to pressureand then when Tanker 2 runs out of water, Tanker 3 then supplies the line..

      I agree that the time for the tankers to arrive on scene is an issue, even if they are coming from a fulltime department. Other calls, weather, traffic, or simply getting lost are all variables that can certainly mess up a well laid out plan. I think you almost have to commit a tanker with the attack engine at the top of the driveway and maybe even a second if there is room.
      Last edited by LaFireEducator; 09-13-2018, 04:20 PM.
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