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  • Ambulance used in bombing.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/27/a-bo...ls-dozens.html

    I wonder how long it'll be before this happens over here.
    Get the first line into operation.

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    You know its coming.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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    • #3
      It's not the first time, and they have no problem using women and children, so an ambulance is no surprise. What worries me more is IED's hidden in guardrails or beside highways, that's MUCH easier to do.

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      • #4
        The threat is something the ambulance community, even those of us out here in the sticks, have been aware of for several years.

        Fire apparatus is no less a problem. Both can gain access to places a beat up junker wouldn't be allowed.
        Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

        Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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        • #5
          Well, it was described in the movie The Kingdom...

          and this article from 2008.... http://www.firehouse.com/article/105...-now-a-reality
          If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

          FF/EMT/DBP

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          • #6
            Originally posted by johnsb View Post
            It's not the first time, and they have no problem using women and children, so an ambulance is no surprise. What worries me more is IED's hidden in guardrails or beside highways, that's MUCH easier to do.
            Not sure I get this. It is not exactly a target rich environment.

            Unless you're talking about something aimed at first responders?

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            • #7
              I don't see it here. Any vehicle is capable of being weaponized with an IED and in this country we do not routinely stop all vehicles,. In other areas of the world where checkpoints are way of life, a vehicle less likely to be stopped/detained/checked whatever would seem to present an advantage. Here, a stolen ambulance or fire truck is much more likely to immediately be noticed and broadcasted? Doesn't mean I think we should be lax about securing emergency vehicles, but we have a ton more things we should worry a lot more about, IMHO.
              Last edited by RFDACM02; 02-02-2018, 09:48 AM. Reason: Keyboard caused misspelled words.

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              • #8
                We have several contractors around here who are using old ambulances as work trucks. Warning lights are either removed, covered over, or changed to a non-emergency color.

                It's not a reach that someone with the will and a cause could acquire an old ambulance, mark it to appear like an in-service rig from one of the squads in this area, and use it.

                For that matter, most people can't tell the difference between ambulances, beyond box and van. Steal a Sprinter, mark it up, and away you go.
                Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by captnjak View Post

                  Not sure I get this. It is not exactly a target rich environment.

                  Unless you're talking about something aimed at first responders?
                  IED's offer the advantage of not being a suicide weapon. And in the right place it can be target rich, or target a certain person or persons who have to travel that route.... Use your imagination.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by captnjak View Post

                    Not sure I get this. It is not exactly a target rich environment.

                    Unless you're talking about something aimed at first responders?
                    Such devices are less for the destruction than for the propaganda value. Think about someplace in your own world/locale that would really rattle you if it was bombed...
                    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by johnsb View Post

                      IED's offer the advantage of not being a suicide weapon. And in the right place it can be target rich, or target a certain person or persons who have to travel that route.... Use your imagination.
                      What you describe sounds more like an assassination than a terrorist attack.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tree68 View Post

                        Such devices are less for the destruction than for the propaganda value. Think about someplace in your own world/locale that would really rattle you if it was bombed...
                        Propaganda value is directly tied to loss of life. Nothing trumps large amounts of casualties.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by captnjak View Post

                          Propaganda value is directly tied to loss of life. Nothing trumps large amounts of casualties.
                          Where those casualties occur can be very important, propaganda-wise.

                          A bomb going off in the red-light district may kill a lot of people, but one going off in front of Saks Fifth Avenue will kill a lot more people of status and garner that much more attention. West, TX wasn't a terrorist attack, but how much attention did it garner outside the local area and the firefighting community?
                          Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                          Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by captnjak View Post

                            What you describe sounds more like an assassination than a terrorist attack.
                            If you're targeting a specific person, it's an assassination. If you're targeting random people for political, religious, etc. change, it's terrorism. But a terrorist can also assassinate specific persons if they wish, it's still the same.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tree68 View Post

                              Where those casualties occur can be very important, propaganda-wise.

                              A bomb going off in the red-light district may kill a lot of people, but one going off in front of Saks Fifth Avenue will kill a lot more people of status and garner that much more attention. West, TX wasn't a terrorist attack, but how much attention did it garner outside the local area and the firefighting community?
                              A LOT. It still had a large loss of life, and the potential for more due to the lax building codes in the area. It most certainly wasn't a "local" story.

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