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Why are water cans even considered when portable CAFS packs are available?

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  • Why are water cans even considered when portable CAFS packs are available?

    Why are water cans even considered when portable CAFS packs are available? Should be an easy choice between 2.5 gallons of water or 60 gallons of foam.

    https://intelagard.com/portfolio/macaw/
    https://www.ajstone.com/product-p/en...r3backpack.htm
    http://www.trimax.us/compressed-air-...ts/3-caf-pack/
    Respect and honor thy probies for today's probationary firefighters are tomorrow''s lieutenants, captains, battalion chiefs, chiefs of department, and fire commissioners. Some of them may know more than you.

  • #2
    You write the check and we'll buy some. For now, our 2.5 gallon cans (free to us) with a shot of Class A foam are serving the purpose nicely.
    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tree68 View Post
      You write the check and we'll buy some. For now, our 2.5 gallon cans (free to us) with a shot of Class A foam are serving the purpose nicely.
      BOOM! That is the answer right there. The CAFS extinguisher we carry on our squad cost around $1600, a 2 1/2 gallon water extinguisher averages just over $100. You can buy multiple water cans and a whole lot of foam to add to them for $1600.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
      Millions of people living as foes
      Maybe it's not too late
      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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      • #4
        Contrary to what some manufacturers would like you to believe, foam and CAFS is not the end all be all firefighting method they are making it out to be. If it was you would see a lot of departments running pickup trucks in place of attack engines.




        Last edited by CanManDan; 07-17-2017, 06:01 AM.
        What's My Name? It's Can Man Dan, The Man With The Firefighting Master Plan.

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        • #5
          While we are on the subject of water cans, has anyone heard of meth makers using water cans to store anhydrous ammonia in them?

          Was told that they place anhydrous ammonia in the water can and when they need some for their "cooking" ingredient, they give a shot of it from the water can.

          If I come across any old water cans, I am going to see to it, that they are crushed and recycled (stainless steel).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FIRE117 View Post
            While we are on the subject of water cans, has anyone heard of meth makers using water cans to store anhydrous ammonia in them?

            Was told that they place anhydrous ammonia in the water can and when they need some for their "cooking" ingredient, they give a shot of it from the water can.

            If I come across any old water cans, I am going to see to it, that they are crushed and recycled (stainless steel).
            Haven't heard this but it would not surprise me. But very little surprises me anymore.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tree68 View Post
              You write the check and we'll buy some. For now, our 2.5 gallon cans (free to us) with a shot of Class A foam are serving the purpose nicely.
              Bingo!

              They aint light either. 50-70 pounds on top of all our other gear can get heavy fast.

              It is overkill for the way we usually use our cans.

              Water cans are cheap and they are easy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tree68 View Post
                You write the check and we'll buy some. For now, our 2.5 gallon cans (free to us) with a shot of Class A foam are serving the purpose nicely.
                Firefighters deserve the most modern and efficient tools regardless of cost.
                Respect and honor thy probies for today's probationary firefighters are tomorrow''s lieutenants, captains, battalion chiefs, chiefs of department, and fire commissioners. Some of them may know more than you.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

                  Firefighters deserve the most modern and efficient tools regardless of cost.
                  Problem is that "deserve" is pretty low on the list of factors evaluated by the bean counters.

                  When used the way it was intended to be used and within it's limitations the water can is pretty damn efficient.

                  I acknowledge other uses where these CAFS portables may make more sense.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post
                    Firefighters deserve the most modern and efficient tools regardless of cost.
                    Clearly you are not a taxpayer, nor are you responsible for paying any bills for any fire agency.

                    Here in NY State, we are dealing with a cap on how much a budget can be increased each year. This is not limited to fire departments - the DPW, police, parks department all have to deal with it, too.

                    That means we have to deal with normal inflation (ie, costs increase), plus any new purchases we haven't saved for via reserve funds. The net result is that the actual value of the money collected via taxes actually decreases. So, do we buy a $1,600 trinket, or a new coat for the firefighter whose coat was damaged beyond usefulness at the last incident?

                    Your idealism is wonderful, BUT you need to temper it with reality. You say you think you're chief material. What are you going to do when the city/town/village council tells you to cut your budget by 5%? Take your ball and go home?

                    And - who (besides the manufacturer) says that such a CAFS device is the most modern and efficient tool? We've seen how rapidly CAFS on apparatus has been accepted. (Hint - it hasn't).
                    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tree68 View Post
                      Your idealism is wonderful, BUT you need to temper it with reality. You say you think you're chief material. What are you going to do when the city/town/village council tells you to cut your budget by 5%? Take your ball and go home?
                      Tell them if they want fire protection to continue they had better kick up some more scratch.

                      Respect and honor thy probies for today's probationary firefighters are tomorrow''s lieutenants, captains, battalion chiefs, chiefs of department, and fire commissioners. Some of them may know more than you.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post
                        Why are water cans even considered when portable CAFS packs are available? Should be an easy choice between 2.5 gallons of water or 60 gallons of foam.

                        https://intelagard.com/portfolio/macaw/
                        https://www.ajstone.com/product-p/en...r3backpack.htm
                        http://www.trimax.us/compressed-air-...ts/3-caf-pack/
                        Gee guys I just saw this neat picture of a CAFS fire extinguisher so I thought I would try to sound smart and tell you all how great it is. Never mind the fact that I never had one in my hands, let alone operated one on a real fire. But gosh, golly, and even gee wilikers ain't it cool?

                        Dude you are a phony...and not even a good one. TROLL.
                        Crazy, but that's how it goes
                        Millions of people living as foes
                        Maybe it's not too late
                        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

                          Tell them if they want fire protection to continue they had better kick up some more scratch.
                          Man I love when you post and just look dumber and dumber and dumber. TROLL.
                          Crazy, but that's how it goes
                          Millions of people living as foes
                          Maybe it's not too late
                          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                            Man I love when you post and just look dumber and dumber and dumber. TROLL.
                            My bad. I thought he was going for laughs.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

                              Tell them if they want fire protection to continue they had better kick up some more scratch.
                              You can add that to your resume' while you're looking for a new job...
                              Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                              Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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