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Primary search of a burning structure without having a hose team in place

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  • #46
    Originally posted by captnjak View Post
    This should not be much an impediment to perfect probie because he is now in a major paid city department and they generally have trucks and engines with separate and specific tasks.
    Better to be impeded by a hose line than roasted alive without one. The line between truck companies and engine companies is going to blur when quints become the accepted standard for urban firefighting.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

      Better to be impeded by a hose line than roasted alive without one. The line between truck companies and engine companies is going to blur when quints become the accepted standard for urban firefighting.
      You might want to check in with St. Louis on that. They tried it, and went back...
      Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

      Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

        Better to be impeded by a hose line than roasted alive without one. The line between truck companies and engine companies is going to blur when quints become the accepted standard for urban firefighting.
        Dream on. A quint without at least 5, and better yet 7, firefighters is nothing but a ladder, or an engine, becauseon a call it can't be both without firefighters. Also, if you remember Captnjak made the critical point, that you glossed over, that less rigs in a major metropolitan city means less coverage and longer response times.

        St Louis was a quint only city for decades and they are moving away from that. Cost of apparatus is a factor, staffing is a factor, being able to get apparatus in places is a factor, in the decision to go all quint or go more traditional.

        Again your lack of real world experience and failure to understand fiscal responsibility shines through.

        Crazy, but that's how it goes
        Millions of people living as foes
        Maybe it's not too late
        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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        • #49
          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

          Dream on. A quint without at least 5, and better yet 7, firefighters is nothing but a ladder, or an engine, because on a call it can't be both without firefighters. Also, if you remember Captnjak made the critical point, that you glossed over, that less rigs in a major metropolitan city means less coverage and longer response times.

          St Louis was a quint only city for decades and they are moving away from that. Cost of apparatus is a factor, staffing is a factor, being able to get apparatus in places is a factor, in the decision to go all quint or go more traditional.

          Again your lack of real world experience and failure to understand fiscal responsibility shines through.
          I never said less rigs. Busy houses get two quints, maybe a 75' ladder and a 100' tower ladder along with the sufficient staffing of firefighters to support them.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by EastKyFF
            Yes, there's a place for policies and standards, but when they legislate the minutiae right down to which direction you lean to fart in the rig, you don't learn how to do anything but follow rules, and that's dangerous.
            Even the most rookie junior firefighter knows that in the rig you lean and fart toward the officer. Fan it in their direction if necessary. All the better if the last meal was chili with beans. Keep some stink bombs on hand to deploy when appropriate like in the battalion chief's office or under the stall door when the captain or lieutenant is taking a dump.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

              I never said less rigs. Busy houses get two quints, maybe a 75' ladder and a 100' tower ladder along with the sufficient staffing of firefighters to support them.
              Again, in the era of cutting staffing and apparatus you expect fire departments to add million dollar plus apparatus and then essentially double staffing. Dude you are delusional and pathetically uninformed on how the real world works. But you are great at comic relief because honestly I chuckle every time you post your ludicrous, childish, drivel.

              By the way, does your pretend major city FD run this way? Of course not. TROLL.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #52
                Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

                Even the most rookie junior firefighter knows that in the rig you lean and fart toward the officer. Fan it in their direction if necessary. All the better if the last meal was chili with beans. Keep some stink bombs on hand to deploy when appropriate like in the battalion chief's office or under the stall door when the captain or lieutenant is taking a dump.
                Proof if there was ever any doubt that you are a TROLL.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by APerfectProbie View Post

                  Although knowledge, fortitude, skill, experience, teamwork, and trust are honorable qualities of a good firefighter; getting out of and rescuing victims from a fire without a hose team is pure luck plain and simple.
                  Luck has nothing to do with it, It's all in how you train. For some departments it is business as usual.... they do it and do it well.
                  Get the first line into operation.

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                  • #54
                    There's a family that is happy the firefighters didn't wait for a hose line to do a primary search: http://www.firehouse.com/news/123659...ctim-from-fire

                    Report rescues to www.FirefighterRescueSurvey.com
                    Last edited by ruffneck; 09-12-2017, 09:42 PM.

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