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DOT/PHMSA Allows SCBA Bottle Life Extension Via SP 16320

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  • #16
    Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
    Unless you're changing brands of SCBA, not extending cylinder life is a complete waste of taxpayer money.
    So is replacing perfectly servicable hose and PPE after ten years, but who's counting...

    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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    • #17
      5 months later...Look, as I said 5 months ago, I don't care if you or anyone else goes with this. We are not. We are upgrading and buying all new 4500 psi SCBAs.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
      Millions of people living as foes
      Maybe it's not too late
      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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      • #18
        If anyone has been involved in an injury or LODD then they know when the investigation begins they inspect the firefighters gear.....for an SCBA to be NFPA complaint it must be NIOSH approved. To be NIOSH approved the manufacturer has to submit the entire configuration(backframe, mask, and cylinder) after NIOSH approval then it goes to NFPA approval. If you void NIOSH then you void NFPA....if you void NFPA than doesn't mean you void NIOSH. So, warranty and all that stuff have nothing to do with who pays the individual or family when something happens.......if the SCBA was to fail and was not in a NIOSH/NFPA Approved configuration then that liability shifts. I would recommend you go to Luxfers website and view its position on this as they manufacture the cylinders for s specific timeline in mind and 30 year cylinders are available by at least SCOTT. Also, its easy to understand that cylinders are just cylinders with different labels on them and for the most part that is correct. However, the manufacturers that design, test, warranty, and put their name on have to make 100% sure that product will perform all the time or they will be held liable. Their are many examples of where fire equipment manufacturers have had to pay out due product failures where injuries or worse have occurred and Fire Depts that have been held accountable.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by txgp17 View Post
          Do you also dispose of hydraulic rescue tools on the day the warranty expires? Based on the logic you're applying here, you should. If someone gets hurt when it fails then who's going to cover the damages?

          Ludicrous, ridiculous point. We are not attempting to extend the life of the rescue tool by having some third party test it and say it is safe despite the manufacturer's strong recommendations. We do annually service our rescue tools and when they are deemed obsolete or worn beyond safe use we replace them.

          You're far more likely to be exposed to a high pressure injection injury from a ruptured line than you are a ruptured SCBA cylinder. For that matter, you're more likely to be struck by lightening than suffer an injury from a SCBA cylinder rupture.

          What's your point? I didn't tell anyone not to do this I said after speaking to an scba bottle manufacturer MY FD won't be doing this. Further it is a moot point because we received a grant to replace all of our current scba, spare bottles, and compressor and cascade system.

          And do you also send off all your 2.5 gallon water cans for hydro-static testing?

          Our extinguishers are tested in the appropriate time frame. Are YOURS? Again, irrelevant side topic that has nothing to do with scba.

          If you'd take time to read this document: https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/d00b7...18c1259c6b.pdf .... then you'd have a much better understanding of the technology behind it and the robust over-engineering that goes into composite SCBA cylinder manufacturing.

          And like the gentleman said, the OEM's are not behind it because they want to sell you new cylinders. Luxfer has a position on it: http://www.luxfercylinders.com/press...ning-life-exte And to quote them: Luxfer cannot accept responsibility or liability for use of Luxfer-manufactured cylinders beyond the 15-year service life for which they were designed, nor does the Luxfer cylinder warranty extend beyond 15 years.

          Which is what I said 5 months ago and my question was this company re-certifying them going to warranty them. If they have faith in the process and the likelihood of a failure is so minuscule then why not offer a feel good warranty to ese the mind of guys like me? I would bet I am not the only one wondering about that aspect of this process.

          Our Scott 5,500 psi cylinders are about $1,200 each, and Luxfer refuses to sell the 5,500 cylinders to anyone but Scott. RIT-PAKs are not NIOSH approved devices, so any cylinder is suitable for use in it.

          Why would or should they? Scott is the only manufacturer with a 5500 psi scba that I am aware of. Exclusive contracts are nothing new throughout industry.

          Unless you're changing brands of SCBA, not extending cylinder life is a complete waste of taxpayer money.|

          AND, like I stated earlier, we received a grant and we are updating from 2216 scba to brand new Scott 45 minute 4500 psi scba and spare bottles. One of the reasons our grant was successful is the fact that our scba are 2 standard upgrades out of date. Sure we could have re-certified the bottles, but we would be using obsolete scba with those bottles. On top of which virtually no one in our area uses 2216 scba anymore so there was no ability to share bottles if needed at an incident.
          Let me type this in bold, and bigger, and I'll even type slower so maybe some of you will understand it this time.

          If you think this is a great idea, go ahead and do it. I'm not telling you not to. What I am telling you is we won't be doing it and I have stated why. You don't have to agree with me, or even like my opinion, but you aren't going to change it.

          Further, it is absolutely fascinating that no one has called Digital Wave on his blatant, overt advertising for his company. He is clearly stating the name of the company and services provided. People normally jump all over people that do that. Why is no one saying anything to him?
          Crazy, but that's how it goes
          Millions of people living as foes
          Maybe it's not too late
          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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          • #20
            So how does this place the SCBA with regards to NIOSH and NFPA? I am fairly certain it would not be within standards for either. I know NFPA is not law, but NIOSH would outweigh all if a problem appears and a brother is injured or killed due to failure. Also this makes these cylinders not available under grant guidelines. As for cost, please elaborate on the cost vs new cylinder. From the few pricing figures I have seen, there is not much difference plus you retain all NIOSH, NFPA and OEM warranty with new.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by MowFD13 View Post
              So how does this place the SCBA with regards to NIOSH and NFPA? I am fairly certain it would not be within standards for either. I know NFPA is not law, but NIOSH would outweigh all if a problem appears and a brother is injured or killed due to failure. Also this makes these cylinders not available under grant guidelines. As for cost, please elaborate on the cost vs new cylinder. From the few pricing figures I have seen, there is not much difference plus you retain all NIOSH, NFPA and OEM warranty with new.
              None of what you have asked will be answered here, especially concerning pricing, because I asked months ago.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #22
                I hear you need to work through Dalmatian Fire Equipment to get cylinders Life Extended. Does anyone have experience working with Dalmatian?

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