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    We have a ISO review coming up does anyone have advice on how to get the best rating?

  • #2
    Get the ratings requirements from ISO. Have accurate records of hose and pumper testing for the past 3 years. Get the suitable substitutes sheet for equipment. Have accurate training records.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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    • #3
      We went through a review this past spring. It helped getting all of our incident log sheets, training records, apparatus maintenance sheets, mutual aid contracts for the past three years. This webpage helped us out: https://www.isomitigation.com/survey...pc-survey.html

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      • #4
        The money spent on a reputable consultant is well worth it if your have no experience going through this. What is your current rating?
        Career Firefighter
        Volunteer Captain

        -Professional in Either Role-

        Originally posted by Rescue101
        I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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        • #5
          We only had a short time before the test. The ISO person was a retired firefighter so things went well. We did not have to do a live test. He gathered the information to enter into computer. Mutual aid tankers etc. He also allowed water supply points that we could not use before. We have a lot of lakes and streams so that will help. We are currently a class 8.We do not have hydrants.

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          • #6
            I know this is an older thread, but had some ISO/PPC questions for FH forum readers.

            1 - We received an electronic PDF copy of the Fire Suppression Rating Schedule (FSRS) when we went through our ISO audit back in 2016. Interesting/Informative read, in spite of the many math formulas used to calculate one's PPC. Does anyone know if there is some spreadsheet available that would allow us to plug in our own numbers and estimate our own PPC rating?

            2 - As part of our apparatus replacement plan, our village will be purchasing a new pumper within the next year and removing from service an older pumper. That being said, I want ensure that as we move forward and replace pumpers we do not negatively impact our PPC or ISO rating. This new pumper we are getting will have a high pump capacity but, as we replace other pumpers, does anyone know if there is a minimum pump capacity that our pumpers should be rated for? For example, our current fleet of pumpers all have a pump capacity of 1250gpm. If we were to replace one of the pumpers with a new pumper whose pump capacity was rated 1000gpm or 750gpm, would that severely impact our PPC? The reason I ask is that as part of our apparatus replacement plan, we are considering looking at a mini-pumper instead of a full-size pumper.

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            • #7
              I believe ISO sets a flow rate based on your local hazards. So unless you drop below that I don't see a problem.

              Frankly, the whole mini-pumper thing just makes me shake my head. Too often departments buy a mini-pumper and then load it like it is a full sized pumper. A volly department I used to be on bought an F550 4 door cab 4x4 with a 1250 pump, I can't remember if it was 200 or 300 gallons of water and full height full depth compartments. The plan was to have a light weight, off road capable vehicle to get behind rural buildings that a standard pumper couldn't get to. Well it came overloaded from the factory with no water or equipment. It has additional helper springs on the back to level it. You don't dare take it off road or you will bury it and its turning radius is ridiculous. We had a tandem axle 3000 gallon tanker that could out turn it.

              Just to give you the idea of the equipment load. 1000 feet of 5 inch hose, 250 feet of 2 1/2 inch hose, 400 feet of 1 3/4 inch hose, a 3 section 28 foot ladder, 12 foot roof ladder, a complete set of Hurst tools, 6 SCBAs and spare bottles, forcible entry tools, and more.

              If you want a mini look at something like the HME RAT. Small in size but built on a custom chassis with a rated fire pump.
              Last edited by FyredUp; 01-26-2018, 05:32 PM.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #8
                On a mini pumper???
                Get the first line into operation.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by L-Webb View Post
                  On a mini pumper???
                  F550, 4 door cab. So technically yes, I would say it was supposed to be a mini-pumper.
                  Crazy, but that's how it goes
                  Millions of people living as foes
                  Maybe it's not too late
                  To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                  • #10
                    [QUOTE=FyredUp;n2086029]

                    F550, 4 door cab. So technically yes, I would say it was supposed to be a mini-pumper.[/QUOTE

                    That's kinda defeating the purpose or rather the intention of a mini pumper. A neighboring Department has one that has a 300 gallon tank with class a foam, 1 inch booster reel, 1 1.75 cross lay, few hundred feet of 3 inch, and various tools water cans ect.

                    But hey whatever floats their ⛵

                    Get the first line into operation.

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                    • #11
                      [QUOTE=L-Webb;n2086038]
                      Originally posted by FyredUp View Post

                      F550, 4 door cab. So technically yes, I would say it was supposed to be a mini-pumper.[/QUOTE

                      That's kinda defeating the purpose or rather the intention of a mini pumper. A neighboring Department has one that has a 300 gallon tank with class a foam, 1 inch booster reel, 1 1.75 cross lay, few hundred feet of 3 inch, and various tools water cans ect.

                      But hey whatever floats their ⛵
                      I tried to get them to drop the number of feet of LDH or at least replace it with 3 inch. No go. It still sits as I described it.
                      Crazy, but that's how it goes
                      Millions of people living as foes
                      Maybe it's not too late
                      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                      • #12
                        I received an email reply from the person that did our ISO audit. You're correct FyredUp - so long as our total pump capacity meets the basic fire flow of our district, we should be OK. But pump capacity is just a small part of the ISO calculations.

                        The auditor also said that they don't use Microsft excel program to calculate the score for the PPC rating. The auditor offered that I could call them with any questions if I wanted to work the formulas from the copy of the FSRS. That being said, I'd love to know if anyone has tried this. I'd be willing to start a spreadsheet and share it if there are any others that know Excel and are interested in supporting this idea.

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