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  • huff317
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    SilverCity4
    "Started as a structure thread...."
    Well, if you get a "rekindle" in the brush, it'll gobble up nearby homes, right?
    That has been the bulk of my experience with brush/grass fires, someone at one of the edges of the perimeter didn't do their job...
    Needless to say, spent alot of DAYS at that one, just to contain the "rekindles"!

    mongo_99
    he said "urban renewal"---love it, dyin here!


    [ 08-19-2001: Message edited by: huff317 ]

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  • Tw93Andrew93
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    Yeah I know in doylestown a little while ago there was a fire in an apartment complex and about 5 hours later it rekindled turning into a 2 alarmer.

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  • captstanm1
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    I have had my share of rekindles or responded to someone else's. Not fun..and embarassing and even frustrating.

    Best way to deal with it is to not be in a hurry to leave...do proper overhaul and check for extension extensively.... Hard to justfiy leaving and engine to sit on it as busy as we are today.....

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  • TCmib379
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    My own house caught up on Dec.27 of 99.. I was living an hour or so from where I am now. Firefighting on that day was sopoor it disgusted me This dept went against every thing I was ever taught.. It made me sick.. The house "rekindled" at 06"30 the next morning!! It was just poor and sorry firefighting no crews on scene to babysit.. Nothing!!! So since the year and a half since I've been back in the service My Dept has'nt had a single 1. So if I learned a lesson I act like its my own house I will stay until I find fire and its out!!!

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  • Slay
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    The worst rekindle in US history took 3300 homes and 28 lives in 1990.

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  • bbeall
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    I know that this thread was started with structure fires in mind, but may I present something we deal with much more? Grass/brush fires.

    We went out on a grass fire last fall caused by a squirrel tangling with a transformer (Note for animal nuts: a squirrel is a rat with a tail 'fro, nothing more. With the fur burnt off, you'd never know the difference...). We went back out on it every day for SIX DAYS (I'm hesitant to even mention this). Never exactly determined what caused the "rekindles", but it had burned into the woods, and every time we had a "new" fire was in the woods. We cleared a line around the perimeter, moved all downed trees/branches laying across the line into the burned area, even cut down a few trees and still had problems.

    My point is, effective overhaul out here on grass/brush fires is almost impossible. Even a small 30 acre fire in a pasture, it is almost beyond our resources to soak every smoldering branch, pile of cow manure (go ahead, laugh) and tree inside the burned area. We circle the perimeter several times, clear and extinguish any embers a good way back from the line, but all it takes is a change in wind direction and an increase in intensity.

    We'll go out and check areas frequently with high "rekindle" potential, i.e. lots of smoldering trees near fields that could have embers blown from them, and the like.

    Didn't mean to get off of the original subject, but it's a serious concern here int he Midwest.

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  • T. BARRECA, JR
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    Sorry Brother but there is never a rekindle, it is always a non-extinguishment.

    That being said there is always the owner of the property giving "CPR" to the area and before you know it you are back at the scene doing your thing.

    So if you do your job there will not be a rekindle unless someone helps it along.

    Just my thoughts.

    Stay low - Be cool

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  • Mike DeVuono
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    One of the magazines (can't remember which one) had a lengthy discussion in the past about cellulose insullation, and recommended that even for the tiniest fires in the stuff, to clear a large perimeter of the stuff away. Because esentially it is pretty much just dried up newspaper and it doesn't take much for this stuff to take off...

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  • DSmits
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    I definitely believe "it aint out till its wet and out." A previous post mentioned cellulose insulation. Many years ago we realized that this stuff is a problem. It will appear to be out but because of its makeup when it dries out will start back up. I am aware of a fire in another town that it took over 30 hours before it was suddenly through the roof. The first fire was a relatively simple fire. There was also a controlled test of cellulose insualtion in an Indiana lab that had a rekindle approx 54 hours later. They allegedly walked into there office in the morning to find it filled with smoke due to reignition. This was after the office personnel had worked next to the test setup all day the previous day and noticed nothing. Just be careful when you have a fire to get the stuff all out, out of the building. I also know of a case across from a large Illinois town's fire station that they went back seven times. In their defense at that time no-one was aware of this problem. It turns out it was an insulation contractor's own home.

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  • dr inferno
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    You really think rekindles exist? I don't I think it's either as mentioned earlier arson as in relit or a poor excuse for extinguishment of the already there fire. As for the question of leaving someone there we have to have someone on scene until the police can secure the scene. As for an entire crew probably not but we will have a fire watch set up with 1 man for sure and if need be he can call back the required equipment to complete the job. As for having to deal with it yes I have and it is embarassing but as a for being part of the job I don't think so.

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  • Mike DeVuono
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    Originally posted by mongofire_99:


    In my experience, it's a result of a little known phenomenon called urban renewal, some call it arson...

    Especially the two day later rekindle...[/QB]

    Yeah...

    Like in Philly around Thanksgiving time last year...4 alarmer in a corner warehouse one night...wouldn't you know it rekindledinto a four alarmer at the warehouse nextdoor the next day

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  • SFD161
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    Man I hate that word...."rekindle".

    In my neck of the woods, its seem like the better we do with overhaul...the more we get criticized of "breaking stuff".

    "Look what those f'n firemen did to my house!!!!!.....they did more damage than the fire"

    We actually had a business owner start to "throw down" with us because we were checking for extension in a room and content fire at a rundown motel. We were in the process of pulling the ceiling and some paneling of the wall and he went "off"

    Oh by the way......."he lost!"

    Me personally....I know that we are doing our job and doing it well.

    If we don't overhaul well and the place lights up again........those same people that criticized us "for overhauling" will criticize us for not. Probably the same people that complain about how fast we drive....until they need us.


    Sometimes you just can't win.

    Oh yeah.....I almost forgot. We finally got a TIC a few months back. I think that rekindles will now be a thing of the past.

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  • hctrouble25
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    Good point Mongo! We have dealt with arson first hand this year. Our firehouse is located next to an old quarry that has been shut down for years and is located adjacent to some train tunnels and tracks...lots of kids back there riding their 3 and 4 wheelers, and lots of fires get started back there using wood and railroad ties. We have gone back there a couple of times this year...one for a fire started in an old abandoned garage..as we responded in on foot with extinguishers we saw the kids take off on their 4 wheelers..and a second time for a search of a 16 year old who had gone missing. Our Assistant Chief found him face down in some bushes with a broken neck. He had driven his 3 wheeler over the cliff and it didn't have working brakes on it so he had no way to stop himself. I sometimes wonder where the parents are when these kids are setting fires and playing in dangerous areas. If a fire got out of control back there in the quarry no one would know until half the woods were burned down....there are about 15 miles of tracks, woods, etc. back there behind our firehouse! I guess it will take something like a serious fire to get the parents to wake up and see what is going on. After this particular fire the Troopers went around asking questions in the neighborhood and of course all the parents were ****ed that the cops were pointing fingers at their kids. Hello? We found about a case of empty beer cans, about 10 empty cig packs, etc. back there right by where the fire was started. Luckily the fire was small and 3 of us were able to put it out and no one got hurt. Some days this job is so much fun! haha

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  • mongofire_99
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    Mike DeVuono

    Are you running foam on all your structure fires?

    It's the CO's call. I try too, but not all the preconnects are plumbed for foam.

    Fire Chief has a pretty good comparison on straight water, Class A and CAFS in this months issue too, not as far as rekindles, but extinguishment.

    hctrouble25

    I have seen rekindles in houses where the house has been checked a bunch of times by different crews...and no one can explain what happened.

    In my experience, it's a result of a little known phenomenon called urban renewal, some call it arson...

    Especially the two day later rekindle...

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  • gah74
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    So long as we have our B-shift, there will be rekindles...

    ...anyone else out there have a B-shift? I was hoping maybe we could skip it and have a D-shift instead.

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