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    WE COVER 52 SQUARE MILES RURAL, NO HYDRANTS AND ONLY POPULATION OF ABOUT 3500 AND GROWING FAST. WE CURRENTLY HAVE A 100 ACRE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX BEING BUILT AND POSSIBLE MUNICIPLE WATER COMING,SHOULD WE REPLACE ONE ENGINE WITH A QUINT??
    Firefighter/CCEMT-P
    May we ride into the darkness only to return as safe as we started!!

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    NO

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    • #3
      What other equipment do you guys have? Do you already have a ladder truck or one responding w/ mutual aid?

      The quints I've been around get beat to death if they run much...especially if you use it to run all EMS and fire runs. ...most are going to have smaller on-board water supplies which can be a problem if you don't get a muni-water sys or get a bad one. Poor road conditions in your area too will effect a quint a lot faster.

      I would tend to say no to getting a quint, but I'm not sure how you guys are going to use it.

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      • #4
        i`d say that unless your going to get a lot of financial support from the industrial complex it isn`t worth getting a quint that you probably wouldn`t be able to use in the rest of your rural community.

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        • #5
          SORRY I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC---WE HAVE 2 ENGINES 2 TANKERS A EMS RESCUE AND 2 UTILITY TRUCKS---THERE IS MORE TALK OF ADDITIONAL INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS TO THE AREA WE COVER. OUR NEAREST LADDER TRUCK IS 20 MINUTES AWAY AND NOT AUTO DISPATCHED.
          Firefighter/CCEMT-P
          May we ride into the darkness only to return as safe as we started!!

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          • #6
            Not sure you could ever get a good answer for local needs here, certainly not on that limited amount of information...

            But some random thoughts:

            1) Are you looking for a true Aerial Ladder or something like a Telesqurt? The Squrt may be a good compromise, and should be looked at. Personnel thought, I'd love to see more nice simple Telesqurts on a 4x4 commercial chassis.

            2) How good are you at moving water? First things first, and you should be able to move water first, then look at aerials to distribute it. That comes down to looking at if your engines, LDH, and Tankers are in good shape before investing in an aerial.

            3) Is their adjacent mutual aid that could provide the truck function? Can they arrive in a timely fashion?

            4) Do you have the manpower to staff your other operations like Interior Attack, Water Supply, and take on the aerial -- or would it be robbing drivers and firefighters how would've better been used getting other trucks on the road?

            5) How good is your sprinkler code? If your new development is all fully sprinklered, you'll have fewer times in the future to deploy an aerial master stream!

            6) ISO Rating Consideration: A combination of 5 buildings each either over 35' tall and/or 3500gpm fire flow requirement triggers the need for an aerial under their schedule.
            IACOJ Canine Officer
            20/50

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            • #7
              Why not? You gain the use of an aerial,probably gain more ground ladders, and may be able to upgrade to a bigger pump, if you buy a new piece. Of course, you loose on board water and gain a bigger heavier piece. If you don't carry over 1000 gal on your engines, its not really that much of a loss.
              Granted, they aren't for everyone but they do have their place. Its up to you to decide if it is in your area.
              It is better to try and fail, then quit and succeed.

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              • #8
                I agree with SFD. First, if you have any homes or businesses over one story tall, they can come in real handy for getting an elevated water stream down on top of a breached roof or third floor window. Next, you say you are rural. Got any farm elevators or grain storage? Having a ladder truck makes for easier rescue from these structures. The key, as with any other piece of equipment you have, is to set up some guidelines of when you use the apparatus and when you don't.
                General McAuliffe said it best, "Nuts".

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                • #9
                  There are several dozen FD's running 1000 to 2500 gallon watr tanks on their quints. So no you don't have to loose water carrying ability.

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                  • #10
                    Yikes! There may well be quints out there with 1000+ G tanks, but I would really be cautious about buying one. I'd like to see a quint with a 2500 G tank. I'd be afraid to drive it on anything but straight, flat, 6+ inch thick concrete...definitely don't want to cross any small bridges. It would have to be tandem axle so you will trade some manuvering and handling abilities.

                    Quints can be great, but make sure you know the disadvantages of them and how they apply to your jurisdiction.

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                    • #11
                      While there may be several dozen running "Quint-tankers", there are thousands running either 75's with 300g+/-, or 100's with about the same water.
                      Not saying there is anything wrong with them, but I think as a sweeping generalization, you will probably find more quints with smaller tanks standard.
                      It is better to try and fail, then quit and succeed.

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                      • #12
                        Don't be afraid, if you drive a 100 foot tower or ladder, odds are it weighs the same as a quint tanker.

                        It is all about specs, low specs result in these rigs with small tanks and no ability to lay hose, ie Richmond VA, think a bit about what you are doing and you get 500 or 750 tanks and the same device on a rig that can easily lay hose and spend the same bucks.

                        Need more water or hose space spec it.

                        I wonder how you make a case for not carrying a big tank with all the talk about minimum staffing, hard to get more than one rig out during the day etc? Why not run a swiss army knife instead of a herd of apparatus that might or might not get out.

                        [ 07-04-2001: Message edited by: snorklesquad ]

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                        • #13
                          911 wacker
                          GAH 74 has a point. before spec'ing anything with that much weight, look at the streets and roads it will travel on. if your roads will not handle it, you will have a worthless "swiss army knife" that will make parade runs and sit in the station.

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                          • #14
                            Good point snorklesquad. I was thinking more on the lines of the 1000+g tanks. That just seems to make a truck big, heavy and tough to maneuver in some areas.
                            It is better to try and fail, then quit and succeed.

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                            • #15
                              "Dalmatian90" Has a good point. A nice 50 or 75 foot "telesquirt" would be a good compromise,(as long as you can move the water), With industry in your response area and talk of more coming. If anything ever happens in a structure of that type you will wish you could get to the roof with out actually putting FF's on it. A 50 or 75 foot ladder allows you to do that and get a head start until you can get aid from other companies, with out adding a ton of extra size and bulk, the way a 95' platform or 100+ foot stick on a tandem axle unit would. But, also I read some good advice on looking at your area first, if you have very narrow streets, low hung cable or phone or electric lines you could have a problem and we both know how bad the winters up here in new york can get. With some careful thought and time I'm sure you sould be able to spec a unit that best fits the needs of you and your community, ladder or pump, STAY SAFE.
                              RDS3604

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