The only thing worse than a Paramedic is one that thinks he's a Fireman

[Notch Johnson]

The duel roll cross training trend that has swept the nation is destroying the true purpose of the fire department.

Departments are losing touch with basic firefighting skills and are more concerned with getting a $300,000 fire engine, jammed up with paramagics,to a stomach ache.

You burn down a city block...."Oh well..better luck next time..nobody was hurt.

You don't put oxygen on a patient with a sore foot "You're Fired!!"

Paramedics should be on ambulances, firemen should be on fire apparatus.....Bottom line.

[BFD847]

Sound like you have some issues that need to be worked out.

[Engine 101]

Hmm now where have I heard this before?
And since when do we apply 02 to someone with a sore foot?


E-101

[LT334]

I was going to reply to this post, but I dont want to start a big argument. I will let the poster display his own stupidity.

[ffguy083]

Was going to take the bait, but I think we'll let this one die...

[daysleeper47]

Can't wait for this one to get shut down. Hey Notch, I am glad to see you are a newer member to these lovely forums, but we all checked our sh*t at the door, so should you.

[CanMan24]

Notch Johnson,

You are so full of ****!! I think you need to get your head out of your *** and look at the big picture here. The nation's fire service serves a dual purpose.......We are here to save LIVES and PROPERTY, and if that means putting Paramedics or EMT's on fire apparatus in a Fire based EMS system as long as they are equally trained and qualified then so freakin be it!! Get over yourself and listen to the music. Enough said, because this thread was just simply idiotic!!

Pennsylvania FF/EMT 24

[This message has been edited by CanMan24 (edited 06-11-2001).]

[spo0k]

notch johnson, nate marshall.. anyone seeing any similarities?



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FF. Mike Burnes
Whitehall Fire Division

[HILLBILLY70]

Yeah, and I have always thought those new fangled motorized fire apparatus were a bad idea too...the horses were working great!

[Ford45]

ooo, sounds like someone struck a bit of a nerve here. Looks like you got off on the wrong foot, Notch! Peace.

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Matt
Newtown Fire Association
Station 45

[mamaluke]

Johnson- I hear you. Many things are destroying the fire department, and EMS is one of them. EMS is a necessity, but I don't like what it has done to the fire service. You are right. The last few great depts are being destroyed. Your dept, San Fran, Detroit, FDNY. Look at the morale in these departments. Politics, greed, and stupidity have destroyed these departments or are in the process of destroying them. It is disgusting and a disgrace to watch this over and over again. What a shame.

[ntvilleff]

Here we go again...........

Exactly how does EMS destroy the fire dept. ......and before the tirade of budgets and staffing, and all the other excuses come pouring in, it all comes down to politics. The idiots who run the whole municipal show are the ones who ruin fire dept's. NOT EMS. I can't think of any reason anyone can come up with, that can't be categorically refuted, except for the fact that the people who sit in the velvet cushioned seats at the town/city council meetings are not willing to give the support to the fire dept's that is needed. They would rather fund projects that make them look good for the next election. A new senior center or shopping mall make the politicians look good immediately. A new fire truck or a four man shift doesn't give them any gratification (unless it's their house burning). EMS is good for the fire service. It's that much more we are able to do for the public. As posted in another thread (about fire truck billboards), Our best bet is to educate the public. Make them aware of the problems facing todays fire service. Until the politicians feel pressure on an issue from the people that put them in office, they aren't going to do a damn thing to remedy it.
Cross training doesn't have a thing to do with it. Since when does learning more become detrimental. If basic firefighting skills are being lost it is your own fault. The true purpose of the fire dept is to save lives and conserve property, extinguishment of fires happens as a goal of property conservation.
This of course is my own opinion

[gah74]

Hey Notch...Things for bringing up this subject again. None of us have heard it before. It's pitiful that we're being asked to walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. How can we possibly get this done?

[Jake295885]

Notch,

You are soo right my man..........We in this spoiled country don't get it till we get our ****^^& handed to us. Yep it takes a giant tragedy until we understand.

The wingnuts who feel ems is their salvation are driving geo metros while the almighty doctors drive BMW's

The fire is coming soon where a hundred people lose their lives because we were too busy playing doctor without the money.....

Notch, I wish you a long and sucessful career, you truly have the guts to say what needs to be said.......

As for leadership, its lacking in todays fire service..........

[troll911]

Originally posted by Jake295885:
Notch,

You are soo right my man..........We in this spoiled country don't get it till we get our ****^^& handed to us.

yada,yada,yada...................

As for leadership, its lacking in todays fire service..........

Not very well said, coming from a Leiutenant.

I have noticed a lot of ya'll from the D.C. metro area do not like EMS, do not want anything to do with EMS, and/or, judging from the posts that I have read, do not want to learn anything from FIRE/EMS departments.

Any Fire Fighter that cannot crosstrain in EMS skills, I do not want them around me.

Oh, sure, your FF skills just pulled me out of the burning building; extricated me from my FUBARred Geo Metro; fished me out of the river.....BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW?

"Oh, duh, we don't do nothing but fight fires.We are allowed to stand around now with our thumbs up our butts and look this way untill the Paramagic arrives."

I pray that it is not anyone in your family that calls on your FD in their time of need because you are toooo lazy and ignorant to learn something new.

The only thing worse than a Fire Fighter/EMT/Paramedic is a Fire Fighter that is unwilling to do the job they swore an oath to. "To Protect and Serve."

Simple, isn't it.



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Peace,
TROLL

Just my opinions, not my departments. If they are alike, it usually means somethin's gonna happen!