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  • #31
    Since the hood should be an Aramid of some sort (Nomex, PBI, etc)...

    And Aramids don't flame...

    It's probably just an illusion.

    It is kinda neat to see Nomex disintergrate exposed to direct flame for a couple minutes though, but that's another story!

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    • #32
      I don't know why everyone is making a big deal about going on air before you leave the rig. I am not talking about 2-3 minutes prior to our arrival. I am saying 30 seconds out, with smoke showing, we put our mask on and are ready to pull lines and fight fire when we arrive. This doesn't mean we rush in to the structure with tunnel vision. We can still do a size up of the building with our masks on. Obviously the type of community you work in dictates your tactics. The majority of our fires are single family dwellings. We have lightweight construction in our homes, so every second counts in compromising the structural integrity of the building. We have 45 minute bottles. I can understand wanting every second in a 30 minute bottle because your only going to get 10-15 minutes of air if you working hard. I can easily get 25+ with my bottle. If you in longer than that, command need to reevaluate things. Before putting down departments on this post, consider that what works for your dept isn't necessarily what works for others.

      [This message has been edited by lvfireman (edited 05-30-2001).]

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      • #33
        I would have to agree with lv. Not everything works for all departments. Having worked in both warm and cold enviroments which has alot to do with this. Masking up before arrival can cause tunnel vision so I am not a big fan of that. But if you do mask up just make sure everyone is seeing the whole picture. Train the same way. Cold enviroments can cause your mask to fog which can limit your vis on size up etc. this may be another reason not to mask up till after your arrival.

        If the job gets done something must have been done right.

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        • #34
          Donning your facepeice before you get off the truck is a safety hazard don't ya think. Tunnel vision, limited visiblity, and hard to understand verbal stuff as far as sizeup goes. Come on, how long does it take someone to get there mask on?
          Just a thought...

          Kevin Louisville Ky
          Firefighter/EMT

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          • #35
            I would have to agree wiht KBHFD. How long dose it take to put a mask on? Or even conneting to air? With the new air mask it should only take seconds. Even if you don't have a new mack. Yes the old mask do take a little bit more time conneting, but not a whole alot. With the newer mask you can see alot better. Tunnel Vision is not realy a facter. It dose not steam up like the older ones do.

            Stay Safe,
            JRFIREFIGHTER43

            [This message has been edited by jrfirefighter43 (edited 05-31-2001).]

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            • #36
              Strictly speaking on structure fires, how is the so called "tunnel vision" with a mask on any more dangerous outside of a structure than while you are inside? (I agree with fogging to a point, but that depends.)

              I usually wait to dawn a mask right before entry. I can also remember once exiting the wagon with the mask on but not on air then hooking up upon entry of a trailer fire.

              Coming from using Scott MMR's I can see pretty well with them on. I do see how some other masks may hinder vision a bit. But this seems to be a really insignificant discussion. I have never heard of any trouble with either side of the story.

              On a lighter note how about all of those outstanding fire fighters. We all have see them. Out standing in the lawn (sucking air). Now that is something to complain about.

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              Keep Safe!

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              • #37
                Looking at the picture and reading the caption, It looks like they where standing on the porch gearing up when the fire blew out. I'm sure this happened in a matter of seconds, and the guy on the nozzle was only thinking about flowing water to protect himself and his team members. If I was standing there with a hose in my hands and my helmet happened to fall off, I don"t think I would stop what I was doing just to pick it up.

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                • #38
                  I have to agree with rrt. And besides, YOUR helmet has never fallen off, right jrfirefighter43? LOL

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                  • #39


                    [This message has been edited by jrfirefighter43 (edited 06-09-2001).]

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                    • #40
                      Two thoughts ..I mask up at the door and as I mask up and I do a secondary size again looking over the structural integrety of the building and confirm my team is ready just prior to going in. Another is I don't fight any fires I wasn't at.

                      tc/ss

                      Fight like you Train and Train like you Fight.

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                      • #41
                        Until we can 'tape delay' real life like thay do on television by 7-10 seconds this kind of stuff is going to happen everyday in our job. I can't tell you how many times we said "coulda, shoulda, woulda" while doing our incident critique. When you are dealing with 'unplanned events' such as a structure fire we hope and try to do everything safely but it's impossible to know everything before we enter.

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                        • #42
                          Maybe donning the mask on the truck works in warm climates, but up here in the cold, you wouldnt see anything by time you got off the truck. If you have a room fire on the third floor of a 3 decker, I dont see the need to scott-up until you actually get near the fire and or smoke. It's awful watching someone with a fogged mask stumbling up 2 flights of stairs, stretching a line,unable to see what its hanging up on without even a wiff of smoke.
                          Now in regards to the picture on the cover, being firefighters, watched by other firefighters, all of us living in glass houses,watch where you throw your rocks

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                          • #43

                            Please refer to the editorial in this month's Firehouse Magazine related to this photo.

                            Thanks
                            WebTeam

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                            • #44
                              The fire fighters at the door should have been packed up with nomex, helmet, and mask on before they ever got that close to the fire or building before the fire blew out the door and window. Our safety officer would have had us skinned if we pulled something like this. We pack up for all calls (except brush fires) the second we climb on the truck. That is our policy and it works!

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                              • #45
                                You are correct, it works for YOUR department!! Don't try to second guess an incident you were not at! I don't attempt to challange New Jersey's Blue Light Laws or Home response, because, apparently that works for you. Not to lecture, but try to keep that in mind when you are criticising other departments.

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