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  • A No No on the May Cover

    Just to see if any body saw the first man in on the house fire had no helment on his head!!!!! last time I checked you need one!!!!

  • #2
    no, he didn't. If you read the insert explaining the cover pic you would know why....

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    Matt
    Newtown Fire Association
    Station 45

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ford45:
      no, he didn't. If you read the insert explaining the cover pic you would know why....

      yes but if you look at the picture and compare it with the caption. there is no helmet any where and the fire is already coming out the windows and doors.

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      • #4
        Here's what it said:

        On This Month's Cover:


        First-due firefighters from Cincinnati Engine 31 operate a handline into a well-involved vacant 2.5-story house. Firefighters were preparing to enter the structure and were donning hoods, facemasks and helmets when the fire suddenly blew out the front door and windows. One firefighter opened the hoseline to knock down the fire. A second alarm was requested upon arrival. Fifty firefighters extinguished the fire in about 45 minutes. The fire occurred on Nov. 12, 2000.


        Poop does occur from time to time.

        FTM-PTB-EGH

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        • #5
          As much as I like going in, it looks too far gone to pull any viable patient out.

          As for the helmet, it is a tough call. It could be the position of the firefighter's head as he is going in that makes it look like he isn't wearing one. I certainly hope he has it on.

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          • #6
            Looks to me like he's about to give up the nob.

            The bail is pushed forward (closed).
            No one is holding the hose behind him.

            Definitely not the actions you'd see if he was gonna be the "first one in."

            How long does it take you to don a mask, up a hood, and put on your helmet? 10 seconds if your slow? 7 seconds with a bit of practice? So we're looking at a shot that showed the tail end of 5 or 10 seconds of action when he instinctevly grabbed the nob and hit the fire while his teammates finished packing up.
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            As for not going in, I think a key is the "fire suddenly blew out." If indeed the fire just flashed over, the structure is probably still in good shape behind the drywall/plaster. If you can knock it down, great. If it doesn't start to retreat real quick, re-evaluate. At least you know two things -- it flashed over, and it just flashed over. That's probably a better feeling than pulling up on a fire thinking "When is she gonna flash?" or pulling up and thinking "Ok, how long has this thing been fully involved?"

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            • #7
              Unless you are one of the brothers on the porch, Don't criticize their actions, like someone said, Poop Happens. I have been at many a front door, donning helmet and mask, the same thing could happen, and may happen. He is lucky to have the "Nob with him! As for where is his helmet? You should have been taught in Probie School/E.F. that when you remove your helmet to don a mask, (or Hood)to put your lid between your knees. That way you always know ewhere it is and can find it in zero visibility! Like I said, unless you were there, give 'em a break!

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              FTM - PTB

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              • #8
                A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it can also deceive you with out an expliantion! I wasn't there, so I'm not even going to begin to say what was or was not going on. I'm only going to say that it made for a pretty cool looking picture!!

                [This message has been edited by cfr3504 (edited 05-28-2001).]

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                • #9
                  A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it can also be deceive you with out a expliantion!

                  Yep, and remember, a picture only captures a fraction of a second of the whole situation, not the whole situation.

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                  • #10
                    If your that close, you should already be on air. If we see smoke enroute and are going to be first in, we are on air by the time we are off the engine

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                    • #11
                      What does having a patient inside have anything to do with making an aggressive attack?
                      If you can do it, then WHY THE HELL NOT???
                      Dont be scared of the red stuff, just put the blue stuff on it and it'll go away....

                      Originally posted by firefighter26:
                      As much as I like going in, it looks too far gone to pull any viable patient out.

                      As for the helmet, it is a tough call. It could be the position of the firefighter's head as he is going in that makes it look like he isn't wearing one. I certainly hope he has it on.

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                      • #12
                        Dont be scared of the red stuff, just put the blue stuff on it and it'll go away....

                        And once you run out of the cops, use some water!

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                        • #13
                          On air before you arrive? Was that a serious post? Hope you never need that last few seconds of air you sucked while in the engine. Is that common practive in Vegas? in NV?

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                          • #14
                            Me again,

                            I agree with the agressive attack, but why not turn that line on it for 30 seconds, then have the attack team go in?

                            The caption said that the windows blew out as they where going in. As some said earlier, back away, re-evaluate. Knock it back from the front pourch and follow it in.

                            Mongofire is right, a picture only captures a fracture of a second. I agree with also Dalmation, it looks like the bail is going forward and he is getting ready to back away. Maybe that is what they where doing. None of us were there, so we will can only play armchair firefighter.

                            That's my play, what's yours?

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                            • #15
                              No comment on the cover...except for it gets my vote for cover of the year. Kudos to the photographer..EXCELLENT SHOT!!

                              I have to agree with Grit...why be on air before you get off the truck? (Does the LVFD use 60 min bottles?) I'll do it for a car fire or something that's not going to require a full bottle...but a dwelling??

                              Nah...on air when the smoke gets too thick...whether it be the front porch, living room, or upstairs hallway. You never know when you'll need the air.

                              Stay safe

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                              Mike DeVuono

                              "There are few atheists inside a burning building."

                              These are my opinions and not those of my department.

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