Strippers help FD with apparatus purchase...

[TruckCo]

You come to a street corner and see a man standing there holding a cup and a sign asking for money and you think, look at this guy begging for money. You come to the next corner and you see firemen holding boots and holding up a sign for money and you think that is heroic. I think we are missing the big picture here. This is a small town of 150 people. Being I don't know all the details of the racetrack and the politics behind it I have to commend the community for pulling together and supporting the department in their time of need. Know matter who they are and what they do for a living. Remember some of us dont have the good fortune of having a big budget. My final thought on this is do you really think the people of this town are going to care how a fire truck was purchased or with whos money as long as a fire truck shows up when they call for one. Lets not judge to quickly till we have had to respond in their boots.

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[Grit]

I can't think of a better match than strippers & firemen.

[Brian Dunlap]

I have to give the "Thumbs Down" to utilizing Strippers in the Fire-Hall to raise Money for the company...There are so many other ways to fund raise like Hogie Sales, Bingo { Not my personal favorite } coin drops, door to door fund drive { A Mailer/Stuffer the members walk door to door leaving the information on the front door of the residence } and they mail back the donation.....Car Washes, Ham Suppers, Beef and Beer Socials, Ect.... the list could go on and on....But Strippers ? NO ! Bad image on the Fire Company not to mention most Volunteer Fire Company Club Rooms are viewed by the general public as "Drunk Tanks and Card Rooms" where the members gather to drink and get bombed --- Throw some naked women dancing on the bar/tables into the mix and you have an all male night club that doesn't need a liquior license...I Personally don't have a problem with strippers in general infact I have been known to attend a few clubs in my day but the Fire House isn't the place for it....Hell the Beer is bad enough with some companies let alone anything else...Although I give these guys credit thier idea on Strippers as a company fund raiser has got to be an original one....It took some brass Bal*s to do it !!

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***The Opinions expressed here are strictly my own and do not reflect those of the Department to which I am a Member ! ***

[tinner]

Greetings,

>CFD14
Morals, Values and the TEN COMMANDMENTS, of course Liberals never want to be
confronted by any of those "words". Truth.<

I remember one something about steeling. Hopefully they aren't doing what

firefighter26 said
>It isn't anymore "dirty" then getting money from taxes, is it? At least it was given freely, no taken.<

and applied for the FIRE Act money, and then complain about this.

Brian Dunlap, I hope, that if that is the best understanding of what what was writen that you didn't fill out the FIRE Act application for your dept. (and expect to get it)
The strippers weren't at the fire house.
Pay attention, I say pay attention boy.

I think some big chicken on a cartoon said that.

Yep, that's my opinion. Just mine.

[jedge168]

Ok, when you get right down to it, it was the citizens of the community giving money to their fire dept. Like was said earlier, how do you know where your donations come from? How do you know you're not accepting money from the local drug dealer who wants to make sure that you can protect his meth lab? All in all it sounds like they did what they had to to get the money they needed. I don't necessarily condone what they did, but I don't really have that big of a problem with it either. In fact, I believe I laughed when I read the article.

And for those of you that have been bringing religion into this, let's not. There are as many different religions out there as there are users on this website. Just because you don't believe or agree with it doesn't give you the right to dictate what others think or believe. I do seem to remember a portion of the Constitution of The United States related to "religious freedom".

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Wilmington NC
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[sloepoke1]

There is some confusion on this subject. The big thing is, is that NASCAR DID NOT build a track in Sparta KY but rather a group of businessmen led by Jerry Carroll. These businessmen built here because the cost of the land was cheaper than nearer than either Cincinnati Ohio or Louisville KY. So they went in between the two cities where the better deal was and the amount of land, required for the complex, was located. Yes they want to host NASCAR races at the racetrack but they also host a variety of other styles of motor races. Also the ladies at the club was not asked to help the Sparta dept but rather they heard that the dept may be in need of help and offered to help and being the small community that Sparta is how could they turn it down? Also think about this the tax breaks giving to the track is normal business practice here in Kentucky, so as to get big business to locate in the area.

Army says that there must be a "hundred more, cleaner ways to get donations...." Well the last time I went through Sparta I remember seeing the businesses that were mentioned in the article plus a small antique shop and a landscaping company, that is ran out of the owners garage. You add all that with the 150 residents and you might get some donations to make a dent in buying a truck. You can only ask the same folks the same question for so long before you start getting doors slammed in your face. So why not go to folks that would expect you to show up to help them if they needed it and ask them to help you? Once again I must say the ladies volunteered to donate the money.
Also one must remember that NASCAR rules state that the track must provide rescue crews so the Kentucky Speedway has gone and purchased all the required equipment and hired their own crews and have followed specialized training guide lines to get these personnel ready.

I don't know all the reasons behind the Sparta FD buying a new truck was but I am sure that the track and the new businesses had allot to do with it. And the strip club is included in with the new businesses as these two types of businesses are usually found fairly close to one another.

Also Brian Dunlap it sounds to me that you need to go back and reread the article because it clearly states that the firefighters go to the club one night a week to collect the donations. No where in the article does it say the ladies are dancing inside the station as a way to help raise money for the dept.

And a few of the rest of ya need to read the article also because the chief is quoted as saying that " We are still going to have bake sales...." so this is not their only fund raiser just one option that was opened to them. I for one say keep up the good work ladies!!! Ya'll saw a need in your community and you are doing what you can to rectify the situation.

I will get off my high horse now but it sounded like some folks were condemning some fellow firefighters for doing what they have to do to protect their community with only partial facts. Now I only up-graded ya'll partially as I don't know all the facts behind the story but from what I do know it sound to me the Sparta Fire Department got the SHORT END of the stick when all these new businesses where approved and now that they are trying to utilize some of these businesses to get the required equipment ya’ll want to criticize them for accepting donations from strippers that are employed within this dept area and may even live within the community.

[SFD-129-3]

True 'dat, sloepoke! True 'dat!

[NCRSQ751]

I see nothing wrong with taking money that was raised by strippers. I think at least my chief might disagree with members in some form of uniform going to collect it..but taking money where you can get it is simply survival in this world. Get over it!

[OFDLUIT33]

I don't think anything is wrong with this. The girls offered it's not like the FD went and asked. This is no different than if an upscale resturant in a larger town donated 15% of the nights take to help the FD purchase equiptment. I say if your department is that short funded take the cash from anywhere you can get it as long as it's legal.

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The views here are mine and do not reflect that of my department or any of it's members.

[tinner]

Hi again,
Just had a brain fart,

Grit posted
>I can't think of a better match than strippers & firemen.<

Add a few racing fans and I would almost be willing to wager that the nights surrounding the racing nights the FF might do fairly well.

and jedge168
>And for those of you that have been bringing religion into this, let's not. There are as many different religions out there as there are users on this website. Just because you don't believe or agree with it doesn't give you the right to dictate what others think or believe. I do seem to remember a portion of the Constitution of The United States related to "religious freedom".<

I have yet to look at the rules on proper posting on this forum and if I find them and they support your statement it may be considered. Until then I seem to remember something about free speach. Wonder where I read that?
Yep that's my opinion. Just mine.

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[dfwscotty]

Well, my house burned and my kids are asleep in the back of the pick up but I can honestly say that I feel great that my money didn't pass through the hands of those devilish stripper girls!

[Mike DeVuono]

Well I'm sorry that I just couldn't read through all of the posts from the lilly white posters.

I need to make this clear about NASCAR and the local FDs. NASCAR does not provide money to these departemtns, they don't even pay the guys for working the damn races. So there goes everyone's great idea about "just asking NASCAR." And NASCAR does not own any of these tracks, they are owned by private business men.

My point is...who cares if chicks are taking their tops off to support the local FD. I think most of you are probably just jealous you didn't think of it.

Stay safe


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Mike DeVuono

"There are few atheists inside a burning building."

These are my opinions and not those of my department.

[daysleeper47]

I have to agree with the majority here. Face it, most fire departments are exactly over-flowing with cash. You could have all the bake sales, fish fry's, and bingos that you want, but at that rate, it would take 10 years to buy a new truck. Most departments lack the comfort of having 10 years to buy that truck. So, I say that if you have a new way to fundraise and its keeping the cash rolling in, by all means, keep it going. The way I look at it, money pulled from the panties of strippers is cleaner than any $4 dollar bill from the government!

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Joe
Daysleeper47
"When the bell goes ding-ding, its time to get on the woo-woo."
"Dusting desire - starting to learn. Walking through fire with out a burn..."
Youngstown Fire Department

[CAPNJEFF1202]

At first, I winced at the article, but the more I thought about it, it sounds like a pretty creative way to "raise" money LOL!

Sorry, couldn't resist......I repent.

[trumpeter75]

You know, in a time when fire departments across the country are SCREAMING for every dollar they can get (remember the stink when Bush tried to take money AWAY??) we have no business criticizing a department for accepting donations from their own townspeople who decided to be community-conscious and gave generously in their own way. Religion and sin have nothing to do with this argument...public safety and awareness are the issues here.

Who are we to criticize a town with citizens who actually SUPPORT their fire department? And this is a FIREFIGHTER'S forum????