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  • #16
    I'm with several other of the guys. Why would you do this period? Now I wonder how the public is gonna react when they never see this again, (how often do these tankers really fly around, and if so when can they afford to drop water on a house instead of the forest) and also, what benefit would it have? Unless there is a massive exposure problem, and the roof is completely off, what further benefit would you even gain? My other thought is what liability would fall in the event that being this is not an common practice, (I try not to use accepted, although that is brought up in court often) that if someone decided to do this, and they could prove the massive amount of falling water could, or did cause more damage then the fire..would you be liable?

    Good post!!! This is one of those things you don't think and obviously hear of!!

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    The above is my opinion only and doesn't reflect that of any dept./agency I work for, deal with, or am a member of.

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    • #17
      George,

      Remind us to show you a video of a similar event.
      It was cool, but didnt help the fire much, made the streets slick, and was a mess to clean up.

      Ron Smith
      WY State Fire Marshals Office

      [This message has been edited by mtnfireguy (edited 05-17-2001).]

      [This message has been edited by mtnfireguy (edited 05-17-2001).]

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      • #18
        What an idiot! I would demand a full investigation. They could have killed the firefighters on interior attack. And to not communicate with your IC, well that's just plain ignorance and lack of professionalism.
        I have never heard of an air attack on a structure fire, unless the structure is in the middle of a forest fire, an unoccupied.

        Thank God, not a disaster.....this time.
        Karen, Anderson VFD

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        • #19
          Good post George. I am from a mutual aid town and part of our town was there, Ralston was there but my company, Brookside was not there. I have a question for you, how close was the drop to the brush fire? Do you think they could have been aiming for the brush fire and just missed or was this done intentionally? I was not at the fire, although many of my fellow brothers were, so i have no idea what went on? Please respond back, and if you want, my email address is [email protected] Keep us posted on what goes on, and stay safe out there! Talk to ya soon.

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          -JaY-

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          • #20
            An unacceptable practice without a doubt.
            A night mare which came damn close to being a reality.
            I question the proximity of the two fires, the intent or ability of the aircrew, the "accountability" system which obviously broke down and the chain of command which oversaw the mistake (obviously two loads of water didn't make it to the brushfire).
            Even if the fire did go out, the weight of the water would've damn near flattened any remaining building I would imagine.
            Incredible.
            At least no one got hurt.

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            • #21
              Would like to meet that guy out near theplug. Things could get ugly.

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              • #22
                Oh my god thats intense. Im a junior and i even know thats really idiotic. And as a side note i hate the New Jersey Devils. with a passion now. yes they won that game by domination but how may holding calls can you get away with in one game? God, We're (Pittsburgh) lucky we got Hedberg. Sorry for gettting of subject but im distraught over the shutout. back to subject, im assuming noone was in the house cause the roof was coming in. My logic is, if you did a water drop on a house with an intact roof the waters not actaully gonna hit the fire, so by theory at least no one was inside to get smashed by debri. Still completely idiotic. Its beyond words. Atleast noone got hurt...this time. This is why fireman die (sometimes), stupidity.

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                • #23
                  Well, it is obvious that the majority is in agreement on this one.

                  I can't think of any reason to try a stunt like this when firefighters are working a job. I can't see mis-dropping two loads of water.

                  Worst case scenario; the water drops like a ton of bricks falling on the firefighters heads, and causing further weakening of the structure possibly causing collapse entrapping them. Furthermore, there is the possibility of causing massive steam burns to firefighters operating within the structure. I'm not one to use the word "never" especially in the fire service, but the person ordering this action certainly did not give this much thought, if any.

                  Good Luck

                  [This message has been edited by Truckman (edited 05-17-2001).]

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                  • #24
                    No doubt about it, this is the most absurd fireground tactic(forgive for using it this way) I have ever heard of. I can only imagine all the potential implications this stunt may have had. I dont know of a fireground officer who would dream of it,I have a hard time thinking some one actually did,assuming it was ordered.. Too stupidand too dangerous, My dept would have my head if I did that stunt.

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