Class A Foam

[KEA]

LHS:
/We use a Class A/B foam with microbes/
/We only pay $7 a gallon or 35 gallons a can/
/if we buy 8 five gallon cans at a time/
/where we get ours email me.

Who is "WE"?

[LHS*]

Many of my clients and home town FD. Feel free to pickup up the phone KEA dial 775 423 4942 and ask The Chief Engineer if they got a pallet of foam, what my role this week has been, what it will be in the future and what it has been in the past. This might be hard for you to understand but there is more to a FD than holding hoses, oh I've done that too in town. Oh, ask if I profit in anyway in my role with the home town FD.

"We" save money, "we" do a better job. Gee, I saw one of your nozzles on an attack line today, I guess they weren't fully sold, they used other nozzles on all the other lines. Hmmm, something wrong with that thing?? Seems to be a confidence issue, the FD had the $800,000 I got tyhem to spend and couldn't or wouldn't buy enought of your tips to do all the lines. Why is that? Very strange, almost every department equips their rigs with one standard preconnect nozzle on their lines, I guess yours is special. Gosh, everytime they go to the crosslay they have to decide do I dare or don't I. What gives, can't it do the entire job?

The funny thing even the guys sold on your tip don't put it on more than one line at their paid job. One nozzle at a time is a hard way to make an impact.

If they are sold on the small nozzle, why not the bigger one and the deck gun tip? It has got to be a trust issue or limited ability, don't you think? The American fire service votes with their pocket books, they aren't buying many of your gig are they? The fire service is full of one of a kind stuff we bought just one of. Not much af a legacy to build.

[steveo]

We use this stuff called fuel buster. We put it in our tanks and it has worked out quite well. We had a drill with a truck tire that was burning pretty good put this stuff on it and it put the fire out. We have used it for a few years now and had no ill effects. We also have class a foam but we really don't use it because of the fuel buster.

[Dalmatian90]

BJLF:

We use three different foam systems.

Our 1995 Engine-Tank has a Hale FoamPro system on it.

Our 1995 Service truck has a Darley Snuffer CAFS system on it.

And on our 1978 Engine-Tank we use an old-fashion early 70s era foam eductor, originally for Class B foam. We usually set it at 3%, then take a 5 gallon pail and mix 1 part foam, 9 parts water to make the end result 0.3% foam coming out of it. For that matter, we keep a couple of foam pails we previously emptied filled with the 10% solution (3% of 10% is... 0.3%)

Our new Ladder being delivered late in May will also have a Foam-Pro handline sized system on it, and a "T" connector on the ladder pipe feed -- so we can run a preconnect around flowing 100gpm of 3% Class A and add it to the T in the prepiped waterway flowing 900gpm water to yield 1000gpm 0.3% Class A. We went with this over having a foam system large enough to directly feed the ladderpipe mainly to save a little money, and since we're more likely to flow handlines with foam than the stick, the smaller handline sized system proportions the foam more accurately at lower flows than bigger systems do.

[KEA]

LHS:
/Many of your clients and home town FD:/

Thanks Larry

Lets not forget this is A thread about foam not our product. Your comments are welcome in the appropriate thread. Unfortunatly I can not respond on the threads because of the rules, and since you wont answer my e-mails I guess we wont be able to have a proffessional discussion on what our products aplication or applications are.




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Kirk Allen
First Strike Technologies, Inc

[jizumper-5]

Captian Who pretty much sums up why one would want to use class A foam. All I can add is that in just about every instance we would use water, the mixture of .5 to 1% of class A foam has done it better. For instance. I have seen a rooms and contents knocked down and overhauled with about 120 gallons (via the flow meter on the pump). This usually would have taken a few hundred gallons in the past. A few years back we had a dumpster arsonist. With the foam we increased the % and snow coned it We were back in service in no time. No more rekindles either. Overhaul it is great! Had a house with stuff packed to the ceilings and smoldering. Covered it with 1% and it was out. Not even a heat signature on the TIC. That was the proof for me how well it works. Very good wetting agent.

My advice is if you can afford to use class A foam, then you can't afford to go without it.

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Keep Safe!

[Nate Marshall]

CAFS quite simply is one of the best tools we now have in our arsenal.

It's great for structure protection in wildland interfaces. Saw it firsthand on about 50 homes in the High Meadow fire in Jefferson County Colorado last year.

There are also numerous products out there like Barricade (rated in my book at about a 9, although this is a homeowner product) I would recommend to any fire department that you show this product to your homeowners groups and residents because you can do a lot in minutes with barricade and a garden hose.

The Odin weapon foam system is also one of the best systems Ive ever seen.

There will be a chapter I think on foam and cafs in the new 1051 update for struture protection specialist and structure triage specialist certs. These should be due at anytime.