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  • #16
    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
    But again CLEARLY my post asks for ideas on PROPS for RIT training.
    And clearly I mentioned props - 3" hose, chain link fence and cargo nets.

    Those are all aids used to facilitate learning, and all have a very relevant place in rapid intervention training.
    Train to fight the fires you fight.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
      And clearly I mentioned props - 3" hose, chain link fence and cargo nets.

      Those are all aids used to facilitate learning, and all have a very relevant place in rapid intervention training.
      Not if you think that this is more important than teaching proper removal techniques. Do you have your firefighters then hook up the RIT pack and recharge their air? Use webbing or a stokes to remove the downed firefighter? Call for additional help to assist in removal? Because if you aren't what really are they learning?

      When you are initially developing your RIT you need systematic, repetitive, training to build skills. When I go teach a RIT class they expect things like the Denver Drill, methods of downed firefighter removal, restricted passage rescue, self rescue techniques, and more. I occasionally will take a firefighter and bury them under debris as part of the training, but that alone is meaningless if they haven't had previous RIT skills training.

      I think this may be another instance where we will just have to agree to disagree.
      Last edited by FyredUp; 05-08-2016, 06:11 PM.
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      • #18
        sounds like you two are talking apples and oranges , or maybe apples /Satsuma's ---- what fired up is saying is you gotta have a solid foundation , then throw the occasional wrench at them. https://www.facebook.com/30790621970...type=3&theater
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        • #19
          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          Not if you think that this is more important than teaching proper removal techniques. Do you have your firefighters then hook up the RIT pack and recharge their air? Use webbing or a stokes to remove the downed firefighter? Call for additional help to assist in removal? Because if you aren't what really are they learning?

          When you are initially developing your RIT you need systematic, repetitive, training to build skills. When I go teach a RIT class they expect things like the Denver Drill, methods of downed firefighter removal, restricted passage rescue, self rescue techniques, and more. I occasionally will take a firefighter and bury them under debris as part of the training, but that alone is meaningless if they haven't had previous RIT skills training.

          I think this may be another instance where we will just have to agree to disagree.
          ....... Yup.
          Train to fight the fires you fight.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
            ....... Yup.
            Yepper, I don't want to argue with you. I have a plan on how I want to teach this and the scenarios come later. Your emphasis is on unplanned RIT scenarios. I think we are trying to get to the same place just taking different routes.
            Crazy, but that's how it goes
            Millions of people living as foes
            Maybe it's not too late
            To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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            • #21
              Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
              Yepper, I don't want to argue with you. I have a plan on how I want to teach this and the scenarios come later. Your emphasis is on unplanned RIT scenarios. I think we are trying to get to the same place just taking different routes.
              That pretty much sums it up.

              I'll be very honest and admit that I am given very little time to teach rapid intervention at any of my 3 departments. There are a lot of reasons ranging from attendance requirements that I wish were much more stringent to the need to cover EMS, extrication, etc. to the fact that all 3 departments tend to have rotating doors where we are continually trying to teach the basics to the most recent bodies through the door. Excuses? No. But reality, which makes dedicating more than a couple of nights a year to rapid intervention a problem.

              So it's more effective for me to throw curve balls into some of the other training that we do. Is it the best way? Maybe, or maybe not, but it's the way that works in these 3 departments.

              Peace out.
              Train to fight the fires you fight.

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              • #22
                Breaching and forcible entry props are also very handy. I find due to the fact we often have restrictions on what we can do with borrowed buildings, people are often overly gentle when it comes to doing it for real. As they say you play as you train, and for many most of the practice is OJT because breaking doors, popping locks and punching holes through a wall can get expensive for the training budget.

                I don't have any links but I've seen a few good breaching props using panels of plywood, sheet rock, hardy board etc, good forcible entry props are harder to find, as I'm not sure how you repeatedly force a door without chewing through a fair bit of hardware.

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