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    We bought a 2000 Saulsbury pumper on a Freighliner fl 120 chassis with a waterous 2000 gpm pump from Deep South fire about a year and a half to 2 years ago. This is not a rant on Deep South because they can't really control that the truck sucks but this truck has been a pain for our dept. We got on the interstate one day for a transfer truck fire and it wouldn't come out of pump gear. We had it on a structure fire and it wouldn't go into pump gear. It made it first on scene to a structure fire and the governors got stuck while crews were interior. When you take the truck out of pump gear you have to put it in drive and idle it up and it will jerk into road gear. This truck is currently our second out engine but what should we do? We are a small dept running 40 calls a year with 15 members and a small budget. Would it be better to let the bugs work out or to bring up the fact that we need to move on? We have noticed transfer case issues as well as pump issues. If I need to put pictures of the truck I will.
    MY VIEWS DO NOT REFLECT those of my department or association.
    Originally posted by Rescue101
    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

  • #2
    There's really not a lot that you CAN do. It's 16 years old- you really think Deep South is going to help you out? Sounds like some major league issues between the xfer case and the transmission. Bugs? It's 16 years old. The bugs were worked out 14 years ago.

    You can call Deep South and explain everything to them and ask nicely for help- but they will probably say "you bought a used truck. We can help, how much money you got?"
    Last edited by FWDbuff; 04-21-2016, 10:48 PM.
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    • #3
      You could also call Waterous. The may have some insight into the problem. The Air Force had problems with a structure engine being difficult to shift from road to pump. The Waterous manual identified the problem as a torque load on vehicles with an Allison automatic transmission. The work around was to shift to neutral, drive, reverse, and back to neutral to release the torque load. We also found that we sometimes had a problem shifting out of pump if the vehicle was not on level ground and the front wheels were turned all the way to the left or right. It apparently flexed the chassis enough to place a load on the drive train. We could normally release the load by turning the front wheels to the straight ahead position.


      • #4
        These days most fire trucks are mostly a collection of parts from other places. For a commercial chassis about the only thing {name your brand} actually makes is the fire truck body - they just assemble the rest of the parts.

        I second going to the pump manufacturer for advice. Saulsbury is long gone, and unless you can somehow prove that a dealer knew about a problem and didn't tell you about it, there's not much you can do there.


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