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  • 5th firefighter added tosome FDNY engine companies

    Capnjack,

    Does this mean that the companies now have an officer, chauffer, and 5 firefighters, or that now with the officer, chauffer, there are 3 firefighters for 5 total in the company?

    May seem like a dumb question but I am curious.

    Thanks.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

  • #2
    Originally posted by fire5555
    No they are assigned smoke eater duties



    the four firefighters traditionally assigned to an engine company, only three actually fight the fire. The fourth smoke-eater is the rig�s chauffeur and maintains the truck operations while the other three stretch lines and put water on the fire, Cassidy said.

    �When you think about it, four is really three,� he said. �So five is really four.�




    http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/ex...icle-1.2526155
    Correct. Five firefighter engine means there is an officer, a firefighter chauffeur and four firefighters on backstep for stretching. Firefighters never "ride in the officer's seat" here. Only an officer who holds the rank of Lt. or Capt. who has been promoted off a competitive civil service list can serve in that role. (Also go 40 hours a week for 6 weeks to a supervisor's training program.) Officers here do not generally perform basic firefighting tasks (except search). Purely a supervisory, communications and ongoing size-up function.

    Only 5 engines out of 200+ citywide ride with the 5th firefighter. They will add 5 companies per year until it hits 20 engines. For some unknown reason the firefighter's union accepted this staffing as a contract perk. As if staffing units is their responsibility vs the city's. Especially since we had 60 five firefighter engines but lost them due to budget cuts. So they took it away without compensation and then the union basically paid to get a fraction of them back.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by captnjak View Post
      Correct. Five firefighter engine means there is an officer, a firefighter chauffeur and four firefighters on backstep for stretching. Firefighters never "ride in the officer's seat" here. Only an officer who holds the rank of Lt. or Capt. who has been promoted off a competitive civil service list can serve in that role. (Also go 40 hours a week for 6 weeks to a supervisor's training program.) Officers here do not generally perform basic firefighting tasks (except search). Purely a supervisory, communications and ongoing size-up function.
      Interesting. When 4 firefighters ride the backstep, what are their assigned functions? Do they break into crews of two, like a ladder company, or do you just have more manpower to make the stretch with the first handline? Are there assigned riding positions, like FF1-Nozzle, FF2-Backup, FF3-Door, FF4-Hydrant, or is it more flexible/situation-based?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jes82 View Post
        Interesting. When 4 firefighters ride the backstep, what are their assigned functions? Do they break into crews of two, like a ladder company, or do you just have more manpower to make the stretch with the first handline? Are there assigned riding positions, like FF1-Nozzle, FF2-Backup, FF3-Door, FF4-Hydrant, or is it more flexible/situation-based?
        All firefighters, both engine and truck have assigned positions. These assignments dictate where they will go and what they will do at every fire in every type building we respond to. In the engine it's nozzle, back-up, door (for five man engines) and control. Control position will assist chauffeur or go to standpipe outlet if present. Engine firefighters do not search, ventilate or force entry unless a truck is not on the scene. In that case they have company policy or they follow officer instructions. But primary emphasis is still on stretching and operating the hoseline. Engine company will never put search above stretching. They will perform known visible rescues if necessary.
        Our stretches can get pretty long. Picture a six story 75x100 non-fireproof apartment building with fire on an upper floor. We generally position engines on hydrants and stretch to the building entrance. (Several hydrants on every block) Front of building must be available for TL or aerial. Six to eight length stretch is common, with longer stretches also very possible. No quick stretch of a couple of pre-connected lengths.

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        • #5
          Man, what an operation!

          Would be nice to implement some of those procedures.
          The fire service is about service to our fellow man.
          There is a trust that must not be broken and we are the keepers of that trust.
          Captain Dave LeBlanc

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          • #6
            Originally posted by conrad427 View Post
            Man, what an operation!

            Would be nice to implement some of those procedures.
            It can be done. We did it about 10 years ago, loosely based on FDNY operations. Yes, we are much smaller, but the concept is the same. Our biggest difference is most of our engines can/will function as a truck as well as an engine. No, we don't try to do both on a call, but could be a truck assignment on a call and then next call be an engine assignment. Very rare for us to need to use our aerial device.
            "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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            • #7
              Thanks for the info captnjak!
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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