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  • #31
    Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Agreed. You meet a lot of resistance when you teach that.
    Including my wife.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
      We have been teaching to sleep with your doors closed for ten plus years. Take my word for it, it is a hard sell to mothers with young children.
      No doubt, I have a hard time making it stick at home as well, but, the "right way" and the "easy way" often run parallel and rarely the two shall meet. Remember how long it took us as a country to wear seatbelts? Now it almost feels awkward when I don't wear it. But, sadly teaching adults is tougher than their kids, who are not yet filled with bad habits and resistance to change.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
        No doubt, I have a hard time making it stick at home as well, but, the "right way" and the "easy way" often run parallel and rarely the two shall meet. Remember how long it took us as a country to wear seatbelts? Now it almost feels awkward when I don't wear it. But, sadly teaching adults is tougher than their kids, who are not yet filled with bad habits and resistance to change.
        The problem the closed door issue is part of the larger problem we have fought for decades. The parent is far more scared of a faceless kidnaper than a fire. I used to do a little speech about if the PD came to your door and warned you about a killer hiding in the walls/ ceiling etc. that disproportionally targeted kids and seniors. How most people would be up in arms doing whatever it takes to be rid of the lurking killer. A thousand $ security system a $400 gun , but not 8 bucks for a smoke detector ? Unfortunately human nature.
        ?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by captnjak View Post
          10-4.

          I'm lucky enough to have guys tripping over each other at times. Very rare that the engine has to search off the advancing hoseline.
          Envious!!! The other day the only interior qualified FF I could find to take in a house fire with me had never been in one before. To his credit, he followed me to the seat and stayed there until we turned it black.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by captnjak View Post
            I may be misunderstanding what you're saying, but how are you searching upstairs bedrooms as you advance to the seat of a first floor fire?

            Also, unoccupied and vacant have two different meanings. At least they do here. Elsewhere too I suspect.
            Searching ahead of the fire is what we have VES for. But even still, most places aren't going to do VES unless they have fairly good info or clues that someone needs searching for, or they have a ton of manpower.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
              We have been teaching to sleep with your doors closed for ten plus years. Take my word for it, it is a hard sell to mothers with young children.
              Isn't that what they invented baby monitors for?? We had them for our kids.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by FF-Andy View Post
                Envious!!! The other day the only interior qualified FF I could find to take in a house fire with me had never been in one before. To his credit, he followed me to the seat and stayed there until we turned it black.
                I don't know how you run a dept. with people that aren't "interior qualified". If you CAN'T go interior here, you're not getting on a truck.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by johnsb View Post
                  Searching ahead of the fire is what we have VES for. But even still, most places aren't going to do VES unless they have fairly good info or clues that someone needs searching for, or they have a ton of manpower.
                  That's not what was being discussed. We were talking about hose team searching while advancing and I pointed out that this could not be done except in immediate area of hose advance. Certainly not on the floor above.

                  Rules for VES should be no different than for any other method of searching as far as "good info or clues".

                  Manpower is another issue. Management is important. Many departments will say they don't have the manpower to perform VES. But then they'll put four guys on the roof of a private dwelling at the expense of VES, which is likely to be much more effective in accomplishing our goals.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by johnsb View Post
                    I don't know how you run a dept. with people that aren't "interior qualified". If you CAN'T go interior here, you're not getting on a truck.
                    If we had a plethora of fit young folks, we'd be able to make that happen.

                    We don't. So we keep folks around who can drive/operate the apparatus, provide scene security (fire police), etc.

                    There are days around here when it takes 5-6 departments to get enough interior people to do what has to be done. And days when we run out of riding positions.

                    It this how we want it? Heck, no! But it is how it is.

                    So far, nobody has come up with a cure.
                    Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                    Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by tree68 View Post
                      If we had a plethora of fit young folks, we'd be able to make that happen.

                      We don't. So we keep folks around who can drive/operate the apparatus, provide scene security (fire police), etc.

                      There are days around here when it takes 5-6 departments to get enough interior people to do what has to be done. And days when we run out of riding positions.

                      It this how we want it? Heck, no! But it is how it is.

                      So far, nobody has come up with a cure.
                      Non interior qualified guys are great at rolling/racking hose when the work is done too. I used to resent them, now I find myself thankful they're around.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by FF-Andy View Post
                        Non interior qualified guys are great at rolling/racking hose when the work is done too. I used to resent them, now I find myself thankful they're around.
                        Indeed - they are often long-time firefighters who no longer wish to go interior.
                        Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                        Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                          That's not what was being discussed. We were talking about hose team searching while advancing and I pointed out that this could not be done except in immediate area of hose advance. Certainly not on the floor above.

                          Rules for VES should be no different than for any other method of searching as far as "good info or clues".

                          Manpower is another issue. Management is important. Many departments will say they don't have the manpower to perform VES. But then they'll put four guys on the roof of a private dwelling at the expense of VES, which is likely to be much more effective in accomplishing our goals.
                          It takes one person to perform VES. Some people try to over think it or insist that other fire ground functions must be going on at the same time.
                          Career Firefighter
                          Volunteer Captain

                          -Professional in Either Role-

                          Originally posted by Rescue101
                          I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by johnsb View Post
                            I don't know how you run a dept. with people that aren't "interior qualified". If you CAN'T go interior here, you're not getting on a truck.
                            I agree, but things are different in other parts of the country.
                            Career Firefighter
                            Volunteer Captain

                            -Professional in Either Role-

                            Originally posted by Rescue101
                            I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
                              It takes one person to perform VES. Some people try to over think it or insist that other fire ground functions must be going on at the same time.
                              Count me as one of the ones who insist "other fire ground functions must be going on at the same time".

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
                                It takes one person to perform VES. Some people try to over think it or insist that other fire ground functions must be going on at the same time.
                                It takes one person to do the actual VES, but it's imperative to have someone on the outside as a safety measure. They should be ready to assist if needed.

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