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  • #61
    I don't know if your being sarcastic or serious but if your asking would I drive on the suicide lane code 3....yes. Az is permitted. No more than max 20mph

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    • #62
      Could someone explain this Donna stuff for me?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by fireazm1 View Post
        I don't know if your being sarcastic or serious but if your asking would I drive on the suicide lane code 3....yes. Az is permitted. No more than max 20mph
        I'm 100% serious. With the road construction we had going on around us, the addition of multiple new businesses, one employing 2200 people and a major medical center that included a hospital, medical college, and associated other medical complexes, sometimes we had no choice. AND YES! I liked doing it.
        Crazy, but that's how it goes
        Millions of people living as foes
        Maybe it's not too late
        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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        • #64
          Ask anybody here who works in an urban setting (or any congested area). We drive against traffic at some point on almost every response. If we don't do it we don't get where we need to get to in an acceptable period of time.

          The OP wants everyone to respond safely because if we don't we MIGHT hurt the public.

          What about the public who ALREADY need us? Don't we have a job to do? Are the people who need us sitting around reading the rules and regs? Which members of the public are more important?

          Emergency response is not easy. If we don't understand and accept the risks, how can we expect the public to do so?

          Where is the integrity in chastising an individual for doing a difficult job to the best of her ability without compromising safety (as described by OP)?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by EastKyFF
            Short answer: A female impersonator who tried to run his/her/Caitlyn's own fire department.

            For more detail, start through this. http://www.firegeezer.com/category/donna/
            Sorry I asked.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by captnjak View Post
              Sorry I asked.
              You should have been here then. It was a laugh riot!!
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #67
                Originally posted by EastKyFF
                Don't forget Woody from Maplewood, Ohio...now THAT was a hilarious time.
                chrome fire helmet -orange duallys and something about a "supper pumper"
                ?

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                • #68
                  I'm a D/O at my department (busy suburban department). My philosophy for driving into oncoming lanes is, "it depends on the call." We have a lot of major roads in my current station's first due response area, and often times we approach traffic jams where we have to decide what to do. Generally, before we depart the station I'll take a look at the MCT and read the notes for the call. If we are going to a report of a cardiac arrest, shooting, high-mechanism accident, structure fire, etc., I'll drive balls to the wall and jump the median and drive (safely) in oncoming lanes if that is required. If we are going to a less urgent call (bravo or charlie level EMS call with no extenuating circumstances, minor MVA, etc), and we approach an intersection where we are blocked in, I'll shut the siren off completely and wait for a green light. Then, once we are through the intersection, I'll cut the lights and siren back on and we'll continue on.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by EastKyFF
                    You and your good judgment are sadly out of place these days.

                    Our SOG is no emergency equipment on brush fires unless structures are exposed. I advise our personnel to go without lights and sirens during any response in snow or ice as well.

                    We just try to cultivate common sense in the context of reasonable guidelines.
                    Your last statement-"common sense in the context of reasonable guidelines" -is a very good way of putting it. A good driver (and I don't put myself in that category yet since I have been driving less than a year) should be able to take calculated risks when the circumstances dictate it while at the same time staying in complete control of the apparatus and the response. Slow-rolling through an intersection after verifying that you have control of that intersection (the exact situation the OP in this thread seems to be overly concerned about) certainly meets this standard, in my opinion. Does it bend the rules a bit? Hard to say-we don't know the policies of that EMS agency. Is it unnecessarily dangerous? I highly doubt it.

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                    • #70
                      To the original question, my opinion is this: Drivers are responsible for the care and control of their vehicles. Emergency vehicle drivers are held to a high standard having been educated on emergency vehicle driving training.

                      Slow rolling through a stop sign or red light without an accident occurring = Good to go. If an accident occurs, emergency vehicle driver is 110% at fault not only to the vehicle and it's occupants they hit or hit them, but also for the emergency vehicle they were driving including it's occupants .

                      It's called calculated risk vs benefit. Is it 100% legal? Nope. Can it save someone's life and be justified? Sure as long as we succeed. It's not perfect but it is what it is.

                      The key here is risk vs benefit and calculated. An intersection that is wide open and one can view on-coming traffic from all directions without obstruction for a long distance is a no brainer in my mind.
                      "You see things and you ask, 'Why'? I dream of things that never were and I say, 'Why not'?

                      "I used to work in a fire hydrant factory. You couldn't park anywhere near the place."

                      "When you are kind to someone in trouble, you hope they'll remember and be kind to someone else. And it'll become like a wildfire."

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