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Research Input Requested - How Many LODDs in USA, Ever?

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  • Research Input Requested - How Many LODDs in USA, Ever?

    Got a wild hair the other week, wondering how many firefighters (in the US) have died in the line of duty, ever? Started looking around. NFFF, state memorials, USFA, IAFF, etc.

    Built a table of data by state. Further expanding with highest counts by department. e.g., those with the most LODDs in each state.

    Missing data from a number of states, and thus relying on 1981 or later via NFFF. Maybe some readers have connections that can assist.

    Input welcome, as well as any data validation, ideas for presentation, or related thoughts. Let me know what you think. Will be working on this for a few weeks, here and there. See what you think.

    http://legeros.com/temp/lodd/

  • #2
    Highest counts by department? Here's a sample of what I've found thus far. LOTS of room for error, and surely some omitted. Notably federal or military agencies, with LODDs across multiple states:

    1181 New York NY
    569 Chicago IL
    254 Philadelphia PA
    185 Boston MA
    168 Baltimore City MD
    167 St. Louis MO
    152 San Francisco CA
    134 California Department of Forestry CA
    130 Milwaukee WI
    122 Buffalo NY
    118 Los Angeles City CA
    116 US Forest Service CA
    108 Detroit MN
    104 Kansas City MO
    100 Washington DC

    Full list here: www.legeros.com/temp/lodd/by-dept-counts.pdf

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    • #3
      Originally posted by legeros View Post
      Got a wild hair the other week, wondering how many firefighters (in the US) have died in the line of duty, ever? Started looking around. NFFF, state memorials, USFA, IAFF, etc.

      Built a table of data by state. Further expanding with highest counts by department. e.g., those with the most LODDs in each state.

      Missing data from a number of states, and thus relying on 1981 or later via NFFF. Maybe some readers have connections that can assist.

      Input welcome, as well as any data validation, ideas for presentation, or related thoughts. Let me know what you think. Will be working on this for a few weeks, here and there. See what you think.

      http://legeros.com/temp/lodd/
      the Arkansas "count" is current as of 2014
      ?

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      • #4
        How Many LODDs in USA, Ever?

        Too many.
        "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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        • #5
          More important than the number is the why and how they occurred. The number of deaths tells us nothing without the cause of the LODD.
          Crazy, but that's how it goes
          Millions of people living as foes
          Maybe it's not too late
          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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          • #6
            The USFS numbers are way off unless you discount the many who died under temporary employment. Well into the 1950s it was common practice for the USFS to spot hire men to fight large fires and many of these "local hires" have been killed during their short term of employment. Even today the USFS doesn't have any "firefighters", just a bunch of employees whose primary job is fighting fire.
            We also still have a lot of on call employees hired to fight fire, who are trained, supervised and paid by the USFS but are legally considered independent contractors working for the USFS. The young man killed fighting a fire near Lake Tahoe last week was one of these "not employees".

            In 1910 alone 84 men hired by the USFS to fight fires were killed, 78 of them in just 2 days August 20-21.


            I started to sort through the list here, but it is too depressing.

            http://www.wlfalwaysremember.org/inc...incidents.html

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            • #7
              Thanks for the USFS memorial list link, was wondering if such an animal existed. I will add and perhaps further parse the data for state-by-state breakdown.

              I found something similar, a memorial list of Department of Defense firefighters, that have died in the line of duty over the decades: http://www.militaryfirefighterheritage.com/dodlod.html

              mjl

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              • #8
                Yes, the addition of cause and circumstance would add great value. Thinking that the NFFF's Project Roll Call may make that happen, as they're researching pre-1981 duty deaths. My totals are based on state listings, which only occasionally contain more than name, department, and date.

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                • #9
                  That site isn't USFS specific, it is wildland fire LODDs. You will find local, state, federal and private firefighting companies represented there.

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