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    Well Boys, I am off to the ISFSI class this weekend. An 8 hour class on Saturday and a 4 hour train the trainer of Sunday. The subject material is supposed to cover the FDNY/UL/NIST Governor's Island studies, flow path and transitional attack. I have been teaching the flow path and transitional attack for a couple of years now and figured I should have the official stamp of approval of having had the course myself.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

  • #2
    Great class - Took it this past weekend.
    Train to fight the fires you fight.

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    • #3
      Who teaches that?

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      • #4
        I don't have a name of a specific instructor(s). It is an International Society of Fire Service Instructors sponsored course.
        Crazy, but that's how it goes
        Millions of people living as foes
        Maybe it's not too late
        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
          Well Boys, I am off to the ISFSI class this weekend. An 8 hour class on Saturday and a 4 hour train the trainer of Sunday. The subject material is supposed to cover the FDNY/UL/NIST Governor's Island studies, flow path and transitional attack. I have been teaching the flow path and transitional attack for a couple of years now and figured I should have the official stamp of approval of having had the course myself.
          How can you have been teaching this for a couple years? Thought this was all new knowledge that never existed before the latest round of studies.
          "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
            I don't have a name of a specific instructor(s). It is an International Society of Fire Service Instructors sponsored course.
            Just curious.

            Would love some feedback after the course.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by captnjak View Post
              Just curious.

              Would love some feedback after the course.
              The instructor was Forest Reeder, Division Chief of Training and Safety for the Des Plains Illinois Fire Department.

              It was a good class, with good student/Instructor interaction. To be honest a good part of it validated what I had been teaching already and the rest gave me additional information I can use to support Flow Path and Transitional Attack. An added bonus was the clear explanation of the interface of SLICE-RS and RECEO-VS and that rescue is not marginalized but clearly stated as a tactic that occurs at any point as required.

              I believe that the 4 of us from our tech college will push to get the message out.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
                How can you have been teaching this for a couple years? Thought this was all new knowledge that never existed before the latest round of studies.
                I get your sarcasm...nice firehouse kitchen table touch!! Some of the concepts, while not necessarily brand new, are modifications of what we may have been doing already. Others will take a substantial cultural change in some places to just add them to the tactical toolbox. When you look at social media and see people that advocate adding these tactics called cowards, yard breathers and pussies it is clear that ignorance has a strong position in the fire service.

                The truth is I have paid attention to these studies from the start and tried to read as much as I could about them and view as many videos as I could about the studies and how to implement them tactically. Last year I wrote a training and SOG for my then both POC FDs and we trained on the idea. At one FD we had a house to burn down and we tried the Transitional attack and found it worked. Actual hands on sells concepts better than a million lectures will.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                • #9
                  http://modernfirebehavior.com/2015/0...ynamics-video/
                  Crazy, but that's how it goes
                  Millions of people living as foes
                  Maybe it's not too late
                  To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                  • #10
                    http://isfsi.org/links/pmfa/

                    From ISFSI website

                    Principles of Modern Fire Attack: SLICE-RS 8-hour Course

                    This class will provide a firsthand look at the UL/NIST Modern Fire Behavior/Dynamics studies and serve to educate students how they can be delivered and instituted in their fire departments. It is our hope that by compiling the best lessons learned from the fire dynamics research, fire departments will be able to adjust their policies, tactics and training to create a safer environment for the fire service as well as the people we serve in our communities.

                    This information has been known to be controversial to some, so be prepared for great discussions. You don’t have to look far for good discussion regarding fire command, control, accountability and especially fire behavior. The shared science, research and best practices are another tool for your toolbox! Go home to your department with a renewed outlook and with a healthy knowledge of the Principles of Modern Fire Attack: SLICE-RS.



                    Principles of Modern Fire Attack: SLICE-RS 4-hour Train the Trainer Course

                    This class compiles the best lessons learned from the fire dynamics research and will provide fire instructors the necessary resources they need to adjust department policies, tactics and training to create a safer environment for their departments and communities. Students must participate in the 8-hour course before being accepted into the train the trainer course, in addition to being an Instructor I.



                    Upcoming Schedule: Go to www.ISFSI.org to register

                    August 22 & 23, 2015: Big Sky, Montana

                    August 22: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    August 23: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    August 25 & 26, 2015: New Mexico

                    August 25: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    August 26: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course (less than 9 spots left)

                    August 26 & 27, 2015: Fort Lupton, Colorado

                    August 26: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course (class is full)
                    August 27: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course (less than 20 spots left)

                    August 28 & 29, 2015: Poplar Bluff, Missouri

                    August 28: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    August 29: 4-hour PMFA: Train the Trainer Course

                    August 29 & 30, 2015: York, Pennsylvania

                    August 29: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    August 30: 4-hour PMFA: Train the Trainer Course

                    September 8 & 9. 2015: Cartersville, Georgia

                    September 8: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    September 9: 4-hour PMFA: Train the Trainer Course

                    September 10 & 11, 2015: Tulsa, Oklahoma

                    September 10: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    September 11: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    September 12 & 13, 2015: Toledo, Ohio

                    September 12: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    September 13: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    September 13 & 14, 2015: Sparta, Michigan and Grand Rapids, Michigan

                    September 13: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course – Sparta, Michigan
                    September 14: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course – Grand Rapids, Michigan

                    September 15, 2015: Saraland, Alabama

                    September 15: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course

                    September 15 & 16: Newport, Kentucky

                    September 15: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    September 16: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course (class is full)

                    September 16, 2015: Trussville, Alabama

                    September 16: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course (less than 20 spots left)

                    September 17 & 18, 2015: Doral, Florida

                    September 17: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    September 18: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    September 18 & 19: Ignacio, Colorado

                    September 18: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    September 19: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    September 19 & 20: Lansing, Michigan

                    September 18: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    September 19: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    September 19, 2015: Cleveland, Wisconsin

                    September 19: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course

                    September 19 & 20, 2015: Idaho

                    September 19: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    September 20: 4-hour PMFA: Train the Trainer Course

                    September 21 & 22, 2015: Edmond, Oklahoma

                    September 24: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    September 25: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    September 24, 2015: Sacramento, California

                    September 24: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course

                    September 25 & 26, 2015: San Jose, California

                    September 25: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    September 26: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    September 26 & 27, 2015: Edwardsburg, Michigan

                    September 26: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    September 27: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Cours

                    October 7 & 8, 2015: Flagstaff, Arizona

                    October 7: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    October 8: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    October 9 & 10, 2015: Anaheim & Huntington Beach, California

                    October 9: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course
                    October 10: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course (class is full)

                    October 14, 2015: Knoxville, Tennessee

                    October 14: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course

                    October 15 & 16, 2015: East Peoria, Illinois

                    October 15: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    October 16: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    October 18, 2015: Knoxville, Tennessee

                    October 18: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    October 24 & 25, 2015: Waterboro, Maine

                    October 24: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    October 25: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    October 31, 2015: Silver City, New Mexico

                    October 31: 8-hour PMFA: SLICE-RS Course

                    November 7 & 8, 2015: Kenai, Alaska

                    November 7: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course
                    November 8: 4-hour PMFA Train the Trainer Course

                    November 7, 2015: Fort Harrison, Montana

                    November 7: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course

                    November 21, 2015: Boise, Idaho

                    November 21: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course

                    January 9, 2016: York, Nebraska

                    January 9: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course

                    January 31, 2016: Gering, Nebraska

                    January 31: 8-hour PMFA:SLICE-RS Course

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