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  • BoxAlarm187
    started a topic POC policies

    POC policies

    I'm doing some research on paid-on-call departments, something that's virtually unheard of in the Mid-Atlantic area. After doing some Googling, I've got a better idea of some of the differences between a VFD and a POC, but I'm curious to hear from those who are members of the POC community about their experiences.

    1. Pay rates vary quite a bit - what are your rates?
    2. Is it more common to be paid by the hour for training, calls, and meetings, or a set amount for each event/occurrence?
    3. Does your department have tiered pay for training and qualifications and/or rank?
    4. Anything you'd change about your POC program?
    5. Were more stringent membership requirements put in place when your department transitioned from volunteer to POC?

    Thanks!

  • LVFD301
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    Paid on a per 4 hour basis. If you are on a call, in training, or on special duty for 3 hours and 59 minutes you get one a certain amount, if you are there for 4 hours 1 minute you get two times that amount. 1201 you get another hit.

    That hit amount depends on the level of training, entry level, basic firefighter, Firefighter I and II.

    For medical calls the same thing, but based on your level of training, First Responder, EMT, or Medic.

    All grant funded
    Last edited by LVFD301; 03-15-2015, 10:08 PM.

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  • johnsb
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    Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    I'm doing some research on paid-on-call departments, something that's virtually unheard of in the Mid-Atlantic area. After doing some Googling, I've got a better idea of some of the differences between a VFD and a POC, but I'm curious to hear from those who are members of the POC community about their experiences.

    1. Pay rates vary quite a bit - what are your rates?

    Firefighters get $10 per hour, minimum of two hours on a call. It's also the same for in house training drills. Association meetings and public service events aren't paid.

    2. Is it more common to be paid by the hour for training, calls, and meetings, or a set amount for each event/occurrence?

    State law says we have to be paid monthly, I believe that has to do with workman's comp payments or something.

    3. Does your department have tiered pay for training and qualifications and/or rank?

    The lieutenants get $600 per month salary, that's it.

    4. Anything you'd change about your POC program?

    Not at this time, other than an actual spread sheet that shows the individuals' specific time.

    5. Were more stringent membership requirements put in place when your department transitioned from volunteer to POC?

    Thanks!
    Don't know about requirements, we were POC when I got on. We do conform to state certification regulations. We did get a little raise in the last 10 years to what we make now. We take around 190 runs a year, and payroll is about 10-15% of our budget.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by tree68 View Post
    My department is not POC (also a foreign concept here), but visits to the department in the ol' hometown in MI have been somewhat informative.

    Going along with the "membership in two departments" thread, I believe they have folks who are also POC with other departments who cover a lot of the daytime requirements.

    That department staffs two people (along with the FT chief) M-F during the day. These are POC firefighters ("part time" township employees) with that department. They are paid at an hourly rate lower than the response rate (sorry - don't recall what it is). When the tones drop, they get paid the full response rate, and I think it's a two-hour minimum.

    I believe they are also staffing two people overnight seven days a week now. The arrangement is the same as the daytime folks, but I don't know if they get the same "in station" pay rate.

    Everyone else responds from home (or wherever) and gets the full response pay rate.
    Besides strictly volunteer, no compensation at all, and Paid On Call, paid for emergency responses, we have Paid On Premise firefighters. Paid on premise work a defined shift, such as 6 am to 6 pm, and are paid an hourly wage. They are at the station while on duty.

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  • RFDACM02
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    Originally posted by tree68 View Post
    Everyone else responds from home (or wherever) and gets the full response pay rate.
    This is what our POC guys do. Really they're volunteer firefighters that are compensated fro drills and calls, thus not actual volunteers. They have no duty schedule.

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  • tree68
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    My department is not POC (also a foreign concept here), but visits to the department in the ol' hometown in MI have been somewhat informative.

    Going along with the "membership in two departments" thread, I believe they have folks who are also POC with other departments who cover a lot of the daytime requirements.

    That department staffs two people (along with the FT chief) M-F during the day. These are POC firefighters ("part time" township employees) with that department. They are paid at an hourly rate lower than the response rate (sorry - don't recall what it is). When the tones drop, they get paid the full response rate, and I think it's a two-hour minimum.

    I believe they are also staffing two people overnight seven days a week now. The arrangement is the same as the daytime folks, but I don't know if they get the same "in station" pay rate.

    Everyone else responds from home (or wherever) and gets the full response pay rate.

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  • RFDACM02
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    Our POC guys are paid for each drill, call-in or incident they attend. The pay system is a little more complex in that there is a fixed amount of money for the whole POC division for the year. Then each month the total POC "checks" on the roster are calculated, divided into the monthly allotment and the per "check" amount is determined. Each member get's their number of attendance "checks" times the monthly rate, so their rate varies. For the first time I know of, we've started tracking the rate and so far this FY the rate per attendance is just over $29. When looking at the hourly equivalent, it comes out to $13.09/hr.

    As far as tiered pay, the POC Capt's get $25/month which comes off the top before calculating the per "check" average. We've found the bean counters lover the system as the amount they'll pay is fixed and generally, the more you come in the more you make. If lots of people all come in to every opportunity, the rate goes down, but you should have worked less, using the "many hands make less work" theory. Of course "work" is a relative term as most of the "checks" in the roster are for drill and callbacks for station coverage which result in no actual "work".

    I wouldn't change much, other than a silly policy that allows the POC guys to take vacation. This allows them a check in the roster for every occurrence in their declared vacation dates (up to two weeks). But in reality it's just taking the same money and if everyone does it, it comes out in the wash. That said, I've never been a POC member here. One big downside is the amount of true fire duty they catch. With FT staff 90% of the good work is over at 90% of the runs, so a large majority of the time is spent training to cover the station, with few calls a year seeing decent fire. Not sure I would caught the "bug" so to speak if I'd started here instead of a fully volly house where we did everything on every run. Could explain our retention issues...
    Last edited by RFDACM02; 03-14-2015, 04:21 PM.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    1. Pay rates vary quite a bit - what are your rates?

    One department I am on pays $12 a call, another pays $11 an hour. I know some that pay a higher amount for the first 2 hours, like $15 an hour and then drop down after that.


    2. Is it more common to be paid by the hour for training, calls, and meetings, or a set amount for each event/occurrence?

    Varies with the department. My #1 POC FD pays a set fee for calls, trainings, meetings, and maintenance.

    3. Does your department have tiered pay for training and qualifications and/or rank?

    Some I know of do. Mine does not.

    4. Anything you'd change about your POC program?

    I would go to a tiered pay plan like you mention above.

    5. Were more stringent membership requirements put in place when your department transitioned from volunteer to POC?

    Not specifically related to going to a POC FD.

    Thanks!
    I hope this helps.

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