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  • Firefighting simplified

    Firefighting when broken down to its simplest:

    1) Practical skill acquisition and application.
    2) Critical thinking.

    I believe it really is that simple.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
    Maybe it's not too late
    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

  • #2
    1) Practical skill acquisition and application.
    2) Critical thinking.


    In another language ::

    Hit the ball


    Catch the ball

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    • #3
      I always thought it was just "put the wet stuff on the red stuff"......

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
        Firefighting when broken down to its simplest:

        1) Practical skill acquisition and application.
        2) Critical thinking.

        I believe it really is that simple.
        True, but that's the breakdown for most tasks. Why should firefighting be any different?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by captnjak View Post
          True, but that's the breakdown for most tasks. Why should firefighting be any different?
          I'm not sure in that most basic form that firefighting is different from any other task.
          Crazy, but that's how it goes
          Millions of people living as foes
          Maybe it's not too late
          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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          • #6
            Originally posted by fire5555 View Post
            1) Practical skill acquisition and application.
            2) Critical thinking.


            In another language ::

            Hit the ball


            Catch the ball
            Those are both practical skill acquisition and application. Critical thinking comes in with what to do with the ball after you catch it. Watch a little league game and watch the confusion on many kids faces when they have no idea what to do when they catch the ball.
            Crazy, but that's how it goes
            Millions of people living as foes
            Maybe it's not too late
            To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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            • #7
              Originally posted by fasteddy64 View Post
              I always thought it was just "put the wet stuff on the red stuff"......
              Even putting the wet stuff on the red stuff involves critical thinking. Where to apply the water, what form, and how much.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EastKyFF
                You're right, but our problem is we have way too many people working 40-hour weeks trying to keep it from being its simplest.
                I don't necessarily disagree in some circumstances.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                  Those are both practical skill acquisition and application. Critical thinking comes in with what to do with the ball after you catch it. Watch a little league game and watch the confusion on many kids faces when they have no idea what to do when they catch the ball.
                  So...

                  1. Catch the ball
                  2. Make the correct play?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
                    So...

                    1. Catch the ball
                    2. Make the correct play?
                    To quote our esteemed colleague:

                    Bing Freaking O!
                    Crazy, but that's how it goes
                    Millions of people living as foes
                    Maybe it's not too late
                    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                    • #11
                      There's another game with kids that we sometimes resemble - soccer.

                      Now, in soccer (adult level), everyone has a job, and a position, and they try to do it. If the ball isn't near them, they're standing by to do their job when the ball does come their way.

                      If you watch a young kids' soccer game the kids are where the ball is. Tactics and strategy are foreign to them.
                      Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                      Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                        Firefighting when broken down to its simplest:

                        1) Practical skill acquisition and application.
                        2) Critical thinking.

                        I believe it really is that simple.
                        It's easier than that. Firefighting does not take critical thinking. I know a guy who holds double Bachelors and a Masters - couldn't extinguish a wet paper sack.

                        I say:

                        1. Experience trumps education.
                        2. Nuts, know how, and work ethic - stop spending the first 5 minutes of every incident reviewing all the excuses and monikers to not do your job, and just do your job when you still get in there and can.

                        Ray McCormack has said it best, we don't need a culture of safety. We need a culture of extinguishment.
                        Last edited by MemphisE34a; 03-13-2015, 12:25 AM.
                        RK
                        cell #901-494-9437

                        Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

                        "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


                        Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
                          It's easier than that. Firefighting does not take critical thinking. I know a guy who holds double Bachelors and a Masters - couldn't extinguish a wet paper sack.

                          A Masters does not in any way define or describe the ability to do critical thinking. Critical thinking is the ability to look at a situation and decide what actions are appropriate. You couldn't possibly be more completely wrong if you believe firefighting doesn't need critical thinking.

                          I say:

                          1. Experience trumps education.
                          2. Nuts, know how, and work ethic - stop spending the first 5 minutes of every incident reviewing all the excuses and monikers to not do your job, and just do your job when you still get in there and can.

                          Experience and education build the computer file in your head to form critical thinking to allow you to make proper decisions. No where did I say anything about "spending the first 5 minutes of any incident reviewing all the excuses and monikers to not do your job."

                          You are somehow trying to tie my simple statements into some rant and rave bunch of crap that shows clearly that you have no idea what critical thinking means related to the fireground.


                          Ray Kelly has said it best, we don't need a culture of safety. We need a culture of extinguishment.

                          Reading is fundamental. Please do show me where I mentioned a single damn thing about a culture of safety. I hate to say this because we most often tend to agree more than disagree, but you are coming off like a guy who jumped into the middle of a conversation, had no idea what the topic was and went off on a totally unrelated tangent.

                          By the way, it was Ray McCormack that said "we don't need a culture of safety. We need a culture of extinguishment."
                          Last edited by FyredUp; 03-12-2015, 12:24 AM. Reason: trying to be less confrontational
                          Crazy, but that's how it goes
                          Millions of people living as foes
                          Maybe it's not too late
                          To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
                            ....1. Experience trumps education...
                            Good experience.

                            Experience doing the same wrong steps is not helpful.
                            "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
                              Good experience.

                              Experience doing the same wrong steps is not helpful.
                              True that. I was on a volly FD where one of the old timers always bragged about his 20 years of experience, when the truth was he had 1 year of experience 20 times. He hadn't learned anything new since his first year on the FD.

                              Not all experience is good or makes you better. Some is nothing more than time.
                              Crazy, but that's how it goes
                              Millions of people living as foes
                              Maybe it's not too late
                              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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