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Glendale Fire: EMS Assault incident?

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  • Glendale Fire: EMS Assault incident?

    http://www.firehouse.com/video/12050...ters-suspended

    I have a fairly strong opinion on this (surprise!) wanted to hear what others initial reactions were to seeing this debacle.

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    I believe the patient had assaulted a member of the crew. The guy lost it plain and simple. I can understand it a little but can't condone it. He has to be better than that, IMO. More professional and less personal. Not sure where the "supervision" was. Someone needed to talk him down a little.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by captnjak View Post
      I believe the patient had assaulted a member of the crew. The guy lost it plain and simple. I can understand it a little but can't condone it. He has to be better than that, IMO. More professional and less personal. Not sure where the "supervision" was. Someone needed to talk him down a little.
      Very similar thoughts. I believe the guy that lost it was the supervisor-Captain? Regardless of training on this situation, hiring people that know right from wrong and understanding they have to be better than that. It's one thing to act in self defense or the defense of another, but when you can just step back, you should.

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      • #4
        guess without pd there what do you do???

        What are you trained to do?

        Yes it sounds like they went a little to far

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        • #5
          Without PD present we all have the right to defend ourselves and subdue those who are violent. But we should do it as professionally as possible. Going into a fit of rage is not the appropriate response.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
            Very similar thoughts. I believe the guy that lost it was the supervisor-Captain? Regardless of training on this situation, hiring people that know right from wrong and understanding they have to be better than that. It's one thing to act in self defense or the defense of another, but when you can just step back, you should.
            At one point the loud guy made reference to his captain being assaulted so he was not the captain.

            I'm not sure a training program can teach self-discipline. That's what was needed here.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by fire5555 View Post
              guess without pd there what do you do???

              What are you trained to do?

              Yes it sounds like they went a little to far
              First, you can stop rendering aid to the person who is assaulting you. If someone swings at you, you defend yourself without going on the offensive (blocking moves, exiting the area). Unless you're being beaten down and truly fighting back is the only way, then you "Do No Harm". Not saying take a beating, I'm saying you remove yourself from the situation. In this case it appears the patient is strapped down to the backboard (maybe not completely if he threw some punches?). Pretty easy to escape.

              Trained to do? Show restraint, act professionally, and do no harm. It's not about training or lack there of, it's an attitude issue that this can even happen. We deal we plenty of drunks, druggies, mentally incapacitated and pure dirt bags, but I've never thought we'd need to beat one down to allow us to provide "care". You want to fight us to prevent us from helping you? No problem, we'll wait for law enforcement or unconsciousness, whichever comes first.

              The overall response where members swear at onlookers (regardless of their taunts) and demand they stop taping? IMHO-Indicative a low hiring standards as compared to what we have. Maybe an overall lack of respect for rules, creedo's and the public's perception of the department as a whole? I wouldn't want to be at the helm of a company, battalion or department where this might happen.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                At one point the loud guy made reference to his captain being assaulted so he was not the captain.
                Sounded like the loud guy say's "I don't care, you don't touch me...or my crew" at the very end. Could just be his wording, I took it literally as "his" crew?

                Needless to say, I'll be surprised if that was the end of this story.

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                • #9
                  Way too much testosterone on that crew.
                  How can they expect respect from the public or from the department & city management staff when all they are going to see is several minutes of hose apes swearing and threatening a Pt who is being restrained by several crew members. I counted at least 12 F bombs in the length of that short video .
                  If they are smart they will hire a great lawyer to try and keep them out of jail.
                  Kiss the job goodbye boys.

                  Edit to add
                  having watched it again there are over 22 F bombs thrown at the Pt , family and neighbors along with threats of them all going to F'in jail and on & on.
                  Someone needs to take some progesterone and find another job.
                  Last edited by islandfire03; 03-08-2015, 10:30 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                    Without PD present we all have the right to defend ourselves and subdue those who are violent. But we should do it as professionally as possible. Going into a fit of rage is not the appropriate response.
                    Yep, BTDT. I'm not going to take anyone threatening me or especially actually assaulting me or my fellow crew. But I'm not going to scream obscenities or threaten the family. I've even laughed at some because they were so wasted and stupid. But I'm not on Youtube yet as far as I know. (at least for doing something bad)

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                    • #11
                      wait::: hot off the presses:::
                      They were never trained on how to react to a pt that is out of control, so that is their excuse for abusing him and his family. WTF

                      Don't know where they took their EMT training , but around here there is an evening spent on medico legal and what constitutes assault & battery. Another night on dealing with Pt's with violent tendencies & how to avoid getting hurt. obviously they skipped those night's in class.

                      Is that how they react to everything they are not trained for ????

                      I know what can you expect from dinosaurs in shorts !!!!!!

                      sounds like a defense attny is trying to get in front of the civil suit & shift the blame off the FF's
                      Last edited by islandfire03; 03-07-2015, 07:31 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johnsb View Post
                        Yep, BTDT. I'm not going to take anyone threatening me or especially actually assaulting me or my fellow crew. But I'm not going to scream obscenities or threaten the family. I've even laughed at some because they were so wasted and stupid. But I'm not on Youtube yet as far as I know. (at least for doing something bad)
                        Threatening you is a far cry from actually assaulting you. IMO, you DO have to take someone threatening you.

                        Good point about Youtube. Twenty years ago this would have been a "he said/she said" scenario and likely have just gone away due to lack of evidence. I'd be shocked if the one guy (and possibly his supervisor) did not face disciplinary charges.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RFDACM02 View Post
                          Sounded like the loud guy say's "I don't care, you don't touch me...or my crew" at the very end. Could just be his wording, I took it literally as "his" crew?

                          Needless to say, I'll be surprised if that was the end of this story.
                          Toward the end he said "he hit my captain in the face, he was swinging at all of us".

                          Can't imagine there was no discipline dished out.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                            Toward the end he said "he hit my captain in the face, he was swinging at all of us".

                            Can't imagine there was no discipline dished out.
                            I think the original story I saw on this was the Capt. served a 2 day unpaid and one other had a similar or lesser rip. Minimalistic at best, likely not nearly harsh enough in the eyes of the taxpayers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                              Threatening you is a far cry from actually assaulting you. IMO, you DO have to take someone threatening you.

                              Good point about Youtube. Twenty years ago this would have been a "he said/she said" scenario and likely have just gone away due to lack of evidence. I'd be shocked if the one guy (and possibly his supervisor) did not face disciplinary charges.
                              So, if I am threatened, and I feel it is a valid threat, I have to wait to exit the area until the the threat is being carried out?

                              If I feel like talking my way out of it is not working or will not work, and I truly feel threatened, I am leaving. I am not going to "take it".

                              Not that it happens much, but given a valid threat, I am out of there. Call me when the scene is safe. My first responsiblity is to myself, my crew, and my family.

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