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  • #46
    Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    1996 was the last year that an increase in global temperatures was recorded.

    The ice caps have increased in size since that time. The number of hurricanes and typhoons have decreased as well as the average intensity since the mid 90's as well. There are several markers that indicate that the period of warming has stopped since the mid-90's.
    You are delusional or stupid. Either one works.

    NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record

    Ice Caps Melting at Unprecedented Rate
    Last edited by scfire86; 03-04-2015, 09:19 PM.
    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by captnjak View Post
      ... Average ocean temperature seems to be increasing too, which is much more significant since the oceans pretty much control global climate.
      Just a personal note....average ocean temp here was colder this past year in my area.
      "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
        Just a personal note....average ocean temp here was colder this past year in my area.
        Yes, but I'm sure you realize it is a global average temperature that is looked at.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
          You are delusional or stupid. Either one works.

          NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record

          Ice Caps Melting at Unprecedented Rate
          This author must not have gotten the memo.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...cientists.html

          Or this dude:

          http://www.theguardian.com/environme...global-warming


          Funny thing is that we have not had a Cat 3 or greater hurricane make landfall in the US in the past 9 years, and named storms are down. The number of tornados have been decreasing as well.
          Train to fight the fires you fight.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
            This author must not have gotten the memo.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...cientists.html

            Or this dude:

            http://www.theguardian.com/environme...global-warming


            Funny thing is that we have not had a Cat 3 or greater hurricane make landfall in the US in the past 9 years, and named storms are down. The number of tornados have been decreasing as well.
            Two people against hundreds. I'll take the word of hundreds.

            What separates the wheat from the chaff in this instance is the deniers don't bring any real science. They only bring an attempt to discredit established research.

            This is reminiscent of the tactics used to discredit the harmful effects of smoking.
            They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

            I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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            • #51
              The voice of reason says that there is truth in both sides here. Weather is cyclical. It always has been. But only a fool would believe we can dump unknown quantities of pollutants into the air, water, and Earth and expect no detrimental effect of some sort.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #52
                Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                This author must not have gotten the memo.

                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...cientists.html

                Or this dude:

                http://www.theguardian.com/environme...global-warming


                Funny thing is that we have not had a Cat 3 or greater hurricane make landfall in the US in the past 9 years, and named storms are down. The number of tornados have been decreasing as well.
                Did you even read the Guardian article you linked to? The NASA scientist quoted in the article stated that increased sea ice does not contradict reduced ice cap size OR global warming. She said the trend is toward warmer temperatures and smaller polar ice caps. She also said, as I pointed out earlier, that you can't take a single and local temporary event and draw sweeping conclusions from it (paraphrased).

                No category 3 made landfall in the past 9 years? Making landfall has nothing to do with it. But once again, why the 9 year number? Is it because 10 years ago the record was set for the number of category 5 storms in a single year?

                You continue to take single pieces of data and use them to back up your opinion on this topic. Past 9 years? Category 3? Landfall? Let me guess. Next you'll point out that a category 4 storm hasn't hit Georgia on a Tuesday in over 20 years! Clear evidence that the average global temperature has not risen. Even if it did pollution had nothing to do with it because polluton is actually good and patriotic and very American.

                The number of tornadoes has been decreasing as well? Where did you get this? Everything I saw showed an upward trend steady since over 100 years ago. Are you using a one or two year sample again? Not scientifically valid.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                  The voice of reason says that there is truth in both sides here. Weather is cyclical. It always has been. But only a fool would believe we can dump unknown quantities of pollutants into the air, water, and Earth and expect no detrimental effect of some sort.
                  Is it really that ridiculously simple?

                  Yes, it is. But the conservatives can't come out and say pollution is good (their big business supporters would love for them to do this) so they have to attack somewhere else. So they go after scientists. Then they hire their own so-called scientists to prove an already developed conclusion by twisting data. Very effective politics but NOT real science.

                  Just another one of the divisive issues (along with gun control, gay marriage, abortion, school prayer, etc) that both parties hide behind while they rob, pillage and plunder this country.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                    Did you even read the Guardian article you linked to?
                    I'm sure he read it. I'm also sure he is clueless about what it said.
                    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                      Two people against hundreds. I'll take the word of hundreds.

                      What separates the wheat from the chaff in this instance is the deniers don't bring any real science. They only bring an attempt to discredit established research.

                      This is reminiscent of the tactics used to discredit the harmful effects of smoking.
                      It took me less than 3 minutes to find those 2 articles, and there were more I could have posted. I could have posted more but I had other things I needed to take care of.

                      Funny thing is there are far more scientists out there debunking those whole Global Warming/Climate Change garbage than the left wants to admit. The reality is much of what has been tossed out there is crap, but this has become the cry of the left and they aren't going to give it up even though the most recent data shoots much of it down.
                      Train to fight the fires you fight.

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                      • #56
                        There's no denying that the rise in temperature has flatlined for about 10-15 years. Too small a sample to draw real conclusions from. It's good news though. Maybe it will continue. If it does, is it because there never was global warming or is it because we've managed to make some small difference?

                        Either way, pollution is still bad and clean air is still good. The right wing will have to find a new way to ignore pollution.

                        As far as debunking global warming believers goes, it should be real easy. Just look at the average global temperature since records have been kept. Then look at the amount of pollution put into the air. Is there a direct correlation or not? The answer is that there is a direct correlation. This doesn't outright prove cause and effect but it certainly justifies further scientific study. Scientists want that; some politicians do not.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                          It took me less than 3 minutes to find those 2 articles, and there were more I could have posted. I could have posted more but I had other things I needed to take care of.

                          Funny thing is there are far more scientists out there debunking those whole Global Warming/Climate Change garbage than the left wants to admit. The reality is much of what has been tossed out there is crap, but this has become the cry of the left and they aren't going to give it up even though the most recent data shoots much of it down.
                          Don't post more. Just read the ones you already posted.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                            Yes, but I'm sure you realize it is a global average temperature that is looked at.
                            Yup. Just saying I'm one of the areas that is on the other side of the average.
                            "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by captnjak View Post
                              while they rob, pillage and plunder this country.
                              18 trillion and counting! Need a panic attack? Watch this for just a few minutes to see how effed our future is....

                              http://www.usdebtclock.org/

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                                It took me less than 3 minutes to find those 2 articles, and there were more I could have posted. I could have posted more but I had other things I needed to take care of.
                                I can post thousands stating just the opposite.

                                Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                                Funny thing is there are far more scientists out there debunking those whole Global Warming/Climate Change garbage than the left wants to admit. The reality is much of what has been tossed out there is crap, but this has become the cry of the left and they aren't going to give it up even though the most recent data shoots much of it down.
                                What's even funnier is that you continue to believe the vocal minority whose motivations are political.

                                Science doesn't care about politics. That is the difference between the deniers and those who know this is very real.
                                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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