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  • LaFireEducator
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    Great, then you just blew up your argument of GOP electeds supporting reasonable enviro regulations.

    Thanks.
    Not at all.

    I think there are many Republicans today that make reasonable environmental arguments, given the compromises need to continue the use of fossil fuels and bring manufacturing back to the US, while at the same time not financially overburdening the business sector and allowing for reasonable profit margins.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    And when Reagan was president it was a different era with different problems.

    Some of what Reagan did as President would not be applicable and not good policy with the current state of affairs. If he proposed the same agenda today, I would likely not vote for him.
    Great, then you just blew up your argument of GOP electeds supporting reasonable enviro regulations.

    Thanks.
    Last edited by scfire86; 03-16-2015, 04:47 PM.

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  • LaFireEducator
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    The difference is that I point to things Reagan did as Governor of CA that would keep him from getting elected president today as a GOP.

    The same can't be said of JFK as a senator or Clinton as governor.
    And when Reagan was president it was a different era with different problems.

    Some of what Reagan did as President would not be applicable and not good policy with the current state of affairs. If he proposed the same agenda today, I would likely not vote for him.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by conrad427 View Post
    Whoa, whoa, whoa! You didn't dare bring JFK into this, did you?

    Oh, snap.
    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    There are a lot of people would also say Bill Clinton is dang near too moderate to ever get nominated in the present democrat party.
    The difference is that I point to things Reagan did as Governor of CA that would keep him from getting elected president today as a GOP.

    The same can't be said of JFK as a senator or Clinton as governor.

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  • slackjawedyokel
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    Originally posted by tree68 View Post
    I've heard it said that JFK probably wouldn't be considered a Democrat these days, either.
    There are a lot of people would also say Bill Clinton is dang near too moderate to ever get nominated in the present democrat party.

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  • conrad427
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    Whoa, whoa, whoa! You didn't dare bring JFK into this, did you?

    Oh, snap.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by tree68 View Post
    I've heard it said that JFK probably wouldn't be considered a Democrat these days, either.
    Based on what?

    The discussion was about prominent GOP officials and their record on the environment. Not JFK.
    Last edited by scfire86; 03-15-2015, 10:35 AM.

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  • tree68
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    One would also have to be a complete idiot (or someone as dense as LAFE) to believe that Nixon or Ronald Reagan could get elected today as Republicans. Both of them would get run out of town on a rail by the idiots that now control the GOP.
    I've heard it said that JFK probably wouldn't be considered a Democrat these days, either.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post
    You are such an idiot.

    http://grist.org/climate-energy/hous...eve-it-or-not/

    Who founded the EPA? Who founded NOAA?

    Give you a hint. It was a republican who pushed it through. Richard Milhous Nixon. Remember him?

    Want other acts and bills? Look at all the R's for party affiliation.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...rotection/6038


    When people ask about my political affiliation I tell them I'm a Reagan Republican. Aka, a democrat.

    Republicans have always stated they are for the enviroment, just with appropiate moderation.

    Now find your rock and crawl back under it.
    One would also have to be a complete idiot (or someone as dense as LAFE) to believe that Nixon or Ronald Reagan could get elected today as Republicans. Both of them would get run out of town on a rail by the idiots that now control the GOP.
    Last edited by scfire86; 03-14-2015, 03:01 PM.

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  • FyredUp
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    If Richard Nixon, who was chased from the presidency in 1974 for illegal activity, and died in 1994, is your shining example of republican environmentalism thanks for proving the point that it is not a critical republican agenda point any longer.

    In my state the republican goobernor is dismantling our environmental protections on an almost daily basis.

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  • LaFireEducator
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    Originally posted by LVFD301 View Post
    You are such an idiot.

    http://grist.org/climate-energy/hous...eve-it-or-not/

    Who founded the EPA? Who founded NOAA?

    Give you a hint. It was a republican who pushed it through. Richard Milhous Nixon. Remember him?

    Want other acts and bills? Look at all the R's for party affiliation.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...rotection/6038

    Republicans have always stated they are for the enviroment, just with appropiate moderation.

    Now find your rock and crawl back under it.
    Nice job!

    Waiting for SC's response.

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  • LVFD301
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    More nonsense. Please link where Republicans have stated they are for reasonable environmental regulations.


    Business won't restrict pollution unless forced. That much we know.
    You are such an idiot.

    http://grist.org/climate-energy/hous...eve-it-or-not/

    Who founded the EPA? Who founded NOAA?

    Give you a hint. It was a republican who pushed it through. Richard Milhous Nixon. Remember him?

    Want other acts and bills? Look at all the R's for party affiliation.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...rotection/6038

    Republicans have always stated they are for the enviroment, just with appropiate moderation.

    Now find your rock and crawl back under it.

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  • conrad427
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    Nothing personal, I just get weary of the folks calling us a virus. I look at my kids and dont see a virus on the planet. I got just as much right to be here as a buffalo.

    Like I said, we can be doing much better as a race. We can consume less, that would help for sure. We could pollute less. We SHOULD pollute less.

    We need an energy policy that does not pick sides. For some reason we can be for oil but not hydro, be for coal but not gas, be for wind but not solar.

    Vultures on both sides. Believe it.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    You call it what you will. I call it a by-product of our modern, industrial society.

    Hazardous, dangerous, and even deadly by-products of our modern, industrial society do nothing to secure our future. In fact they sound a high pitched warning siren that only the greedy, fools, and ignorant will ignore.

    Do I have an issue with reasonable regulations to limit pollution to reasonable levels? No. But many on the left are simply looking for unreasonable levels of pollution reduction at tremendous economic costs to both businesses, and in the end, society overall.

    I am opposed to draconian regulations too, but industry has proven time and again they will not do anything they aren't required to and many will do their best to ignore or bypass regulations. It surely isn't good conscience that takes millions of tons of garbage and hazardous waste and dumps it into the ocean every year.

    Republicans are not for dirty water and air. They are for reasonable environmental regulations understanding that there is abalance between cost and a reasonably clean environment.

    Unfortunately, and politics in my state have reinforced this for me, republicans have built themselves a reputation for being in the pocket of big business and have destroyed, blocked, or eliminated many regulations protecting the environment. In my state we are seeing the DNR being dismantled and environmental controls on businesses being decimated. So excuse me if I don't buy your position here because my state is living exactly the opposite.
    We disagree once again Bobby.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    Same here. We use things till they are really worthless. Our two cars replaced ones that were ten years old.

    We use reusable shopping bags at the store. Many other items.

    We were doing that way before it was fashionable.
    Part of my attitude towards reclaim, reuse, and recycle came from my parents. They were depression era people and very little ever went to waste. I can't remember a time when I was a kid where there wasn't recycling barrels at my parents house, on for copper, one for steel and one for aluminum. Waste food? Unforgivable. Pot roast became meat and gravy and then pot pie. Hand me down clothing was a way of life. Grouping shopping trips or errands so as to be more fuel efficient. Turning the thermostat down if we were leaving for several hours and overnight. It becomes a lifestyle and not a drudgery.

    Today we recycle, compost, and minimize our garbage. There are many weeks when we don't fill a 30 gallon trash bag. We turn down the thermostat when we leave and at night. I drive a car that gets high mpg and my wife drives an efficient smaller SUV. I don't believe the problems we create should just keep being passed on to the next generation.

    I am not for ludicrous environmental regulations, but I am for clean air, water, and planet.

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