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  • #16
    Originally posted by captnjak View Post
    I have to agree with some of the other members here. There seems to be some "Management Handbook 101" type stuff going on here. You can tell guys until you're blue in the face that they need to keep a "positive attitude". That does not mean it will easily happen. It's really kind of trite, IMO. True but trite nonetheless.

    How will a dysfunctional superior react when he/she finds out that a subordinate is looking elsewhere for leadership? Probably not too well. It could exacerbate the already bad situation.

    Maybe it's time to tell us how you personally overcame some poor leadership as opposed to quoting others. I believe that would be more helpful, and certainly more genuine.
    We had two chiefs in my old department. One was respected, one was not. The one that was not respected deserved that attitude from the troops because he didn't practice what he preached. More to the point he made it clear to his policy makers that he didn't care about the morale on the floor of the rank and file. I believed he was embarrassed to be only a fire chief. For a brief moment he was the CAO (Chief Administrative Officer) for the county. He changed his title from Fire Chief to the Director of Fire Services and never wore his uniform unless it was for a studio photo shoot. When the County decided to hire a permanent CAO he was eliminated because he didn't have a college degree. The rumor goes is that he was furious.

    To the point, he was constantly stressing that everyone have a pollyannish view all the time. Positive attitude, never discuss a problem. Everything (and I mean everything) was bought from the lowest bidder. It became known by our union that he would return funds to the County (which the Sheriff gladly took) and was able to garner bonuses for himself.

    When he finally retired it was revealed that one could have shot a cannonball through the event and not hit anyone who had been part of the rank and file.

    Those of us who endured that leadership challenge maintained our passion for the job in spite of the leadership and not because of it. It seemed that our department was constantly in a state of flux.

    I'm reminded of the line from Charlton Obgurn:

    We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. Presumably the plans for our employment were being changed. I was to learn later in life that, perhaps because we are so good at organising, we tend as a nation to meet any new situation by reorganising; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization.
    They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

    I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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    • #17
      Hm, I guess we scared Nick off since we weren't drinking the Kool-Aid he was serving.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
      Millions of people living as foes
      Maybe it's not too late
      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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      • #18
        All I see is a guy who can find quotes....
        RK
        cell #901-494-9437

        Management is making sure things are done right. Leadership is doing the right thing. The fire service needs alot more leaders and a lot less managers.

        "Everyone goes home" is the mantra for the pussification of the modern, American fire service.


        Comments made are my own. They do not represent the official position or opinion of the Fire Department or the City for which I am employed. In fact, they are normally exactly the opposite.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
          All I see is a guy who can find quotes....
          And I like my leader to be the guy that writes the quote.
          ?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
            Hm, I guess we scared Nick off since we weren't drinking the Kool-Aid he was serving.
            I'm not opposed to his ideas. What he fails to realize is that for an organization to function it requires the mindset he wants at all levels.
            They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

            I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
              I'm not opposed to his ideas. What he fails to realize is that for an organization to function it requires the mindset he wants at all levels.
              More or less that was the point I was making. The underlings can have all kinds of wonderful ways to make themselves feel good about themselves and effect miniscule parts of their job, but if the bosses are still dictatorial azzhats in the end nothing changes and they make it miserable to work there.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #22
                Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                More or less that was the point I was making. The underlings can have all kinds of wonderful ways to make themselves feel good about themselves and effect miniscule parts of their job, but if the bosses are still dictatorial azzhats in the end nothing changes and they make it miserable to work there.
                My goal as a company officer was to make the shift enjoyable and try to keep the external departmental politics out. It was sometimes difficult.
                They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
                  My goal as a company officer was to make the shift enjoyable and try to keep the external departmental politics out. It was sometimes difficult.
                  My Captain did a great job at keeping us focused and motivated on job skills and making sure we took care of each other. I can't fault him at all in his efforts. There is so much I could say about my former career department and the current administration, but even at this point being retired for almost 2 years I have trepidation about his vindictiveness.
                  Crazy, but that's how it goes
                  Millions of people living as foes
                  Maybe it's not too late
                  To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                  • #24
                    I guess I would like Nick to come back and address head on from HIS experience, and not from some management handbook of quotes, how he would address some of the issues raised here.

                    Because to be honest motivational quotes are damn hollow with no follow up believable actions to support them. As an example are those firefighter motivational posters I see hanging on so many fire station walls. Why are they there? If you don't read them, firefighters and administration alike, believe in what they say, and then live them, they are just a reminder of all that is wrong in an organization.
                    Crazy, but that's how it goes
                    Millions of people living as foes
                    Maybe it's not too late
                    To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                      I guess I would like Nick to come back and address head on from HIS experience, and not from some management handbook of quotes, how he would address some of the issues raised here.

                      Because to be honest motivational quotes are damn hollow with no follow up believable actions to support them. As an example are those firefighter motivational posters I see hanging on so many fire station walls. Why are they there? If you don't read them, firefighters and administration alike, believe in what they say, and then live them, they are just a reminder of all that is wrong in an organization.
                      Exactamundo!!

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                      • #26
                        NICK!! Come back!!
                        Crazy, but that's how it goes
                        Millions of people living as foes
                        Maybe it's not too late
                        To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                        • #27
                          Maybe he ran out of good quotes?

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                          • #28
                            Sort of reminds me of the Chance Gardener character from Being There.

                            As long as the roots are not severed, all is well. And all will be well in the garden.
                            They told me if I voted for Hillary Clinton the president would be emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable. They were right. I voted for Hillary Clinton and got a president that is emotional, impulsive, and unpredictable.

                            I'm not saying you're stupid. I'm saying you have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

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                            • #29
                              Seriously, I would like him to come back and discuss this from a personal standpoint versus being a quote master. Maybe he could convince me of the error of my ways!
                              Crazy, but that's how it goes
                              Millions of people living as foes
                              Maybe it's not too late
                              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                              • #30
                                Don't pizz down our backs and tell us its raining. Tell us it's pizz.

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