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    I am going tio ask that this be civil I am asking a legitimate question. Does anyone know why for the most part Los Angeles and Surrounding Cities and Counties do not use Tower ladders or Ladder Towers? I just do not understand why this is .

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    Originally posted by no1special View Post
    I am going tio ask that this be civil I am asking a legitimate question. Does anyone know why for the most part Los Angeles and Surrounding Cities and Counties do not use Tower ladders or Ladder Towers? I just do not understand why this is .
    They probably have found that ladders are simply more effective for their operations.
    Train to fight the fires you fight.

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    • #3
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbu1HVFELog

      watch.
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      • #4
        Very interesting piece.

        Though I don't know if it answers the OPs question.
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        • #5
          It was in there between "narrow streets, high-power lines"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tajm611 View Post
            It was in there between "narrow streets, high-power lines"
            The video was about SF. OP asked about LA.

            The answer may lie in CA's stringent vehicle weight limits, which might well render a tower too heavy to drive down the road. I recall reading some time back (possibly about the time the newer limits were adopted) about apparatus that could be driven to a fire legally (emergency services exemption) but would have to be towed back...
            Last edited by tree68; 05-09-2011, 03:22 PM.
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            • #7
              Because the tillerman picks up all the girls as they drive by the beach, on those sunny days
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZdEH...e_gdata_player

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tajm611 View Post
                It was in there between "narrow streets, high-power lines"

                For one day, just one day, don't talk. Let intelligence flourish for a day.
                Point A. It was about SF not the LA area.

                Point B. The poster was asking about tower ladders and platforms v. straight ladders in the LA area, not wooden ground ladders. While your clip was interesting, and did discuss the merits of wood v. aluminuim ladders, it did nothing to answer to OPs question regarding the use of ladders v. platforms.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tajm611 View Post
                  I don't get it.

                  San Francisco is a far cry from Los Angeles and it's suburbs.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by no1special View Post
                    I am going tio ask that this be civil I am asking a legitimate question. Does anyone know why for the most part Los Angeles and Surrounding Cities and Counties do not use Tower ladders or Ladder Towers? I just do not understand why this is .
                    Don't have a clue about how they operate now. It always seemed like they just pulled the same set of specs they used for ten or fifteen years, released bids, and bought what ever they wanted. It was kind of a joke. Maybe the builder they preferred, at the time, would rather build ladders.

                    But, things change. Admittedly, I have had no interaction, directly or indirectly, with them in many years. It was one of those lessons learned.

                    An entirely different possibility would be the reality of a budget encountering how ISO scores points. Sometimes departments have to make decisions based on other criteria than what they would love to have. Two tricked out towers or four to five functional ladders? Not everybody can buy pie in the sky when someone else is paying for your dreams. For sure, spreading four ladders around would not only help with ISO but would add manpower as opposed to two towers. If that doesn't sound like a good tradeoff for a Chief, I don't know what does.

                    Of course, there are a ton of other possibilities.

                    I would hope it either the second possibility I posted or something along those lines.

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                    • #11
                      Hmmm..........

                      Could it be (Gasp!!) that the East Coast is actually ahead of them in something???..............
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                      • #12
                        It's not strictly a California thing. My dept has 5 aerial apparatus, 4 sticks, 1 tower. Most Depts in the NW have more straight stick aerials than tower ladders.

                        Even on the East Coast, with the exception of the FDNY, I would venture that sticks outnumber tower ladders by a WIDE margin in most places.
                        Last edited by sfd1992; 05-10-2011, 01:35 AM.

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                        • #13
                          And.........

                          In my County we have 23 Aerial Apparatus............

                          Five Tractor Drawn Ladders, all Volunteer owned.

                          Seven Tower Ladders, 6 Volunteer Owned, 1 County Owned

                          Ten Rear Mount Ladders, 4 Volunteer Owned, 6 County Owned

                          One Quint, County Owned


                          By Comparision, look at 1961's Numbers

                          One Tractor Drawn Ladder

                          One Midship Mount Ladder

                          Six Midship Mount Quints

                          All Apparatus was Volunteer Owned

                          All Stations that currently have Ladders existed in 1961 except 2

                          All Stations that existed in 1961 are still operating, except 1, with two others merged into one

                          Seven Stations that operated Aerial Apparatus at one time no longer do so

                          There were Two Snorkel Apparatus in the 60s-70s, both are (thankfully) long gone
                          Last edited by hwoods; 05-10-2011, 09:57 AM.
                          Never use Force! Get a Bigger Hammer.
                          In memory of
                          Chief Earle W. Woods, 1912 - 1997
                          Asst. Chief John R. Woods Sr. 1937 - 2006

                          IACOJ Budget Analyst

                          I Refuse to be a Spectator. If I come to the Game, I'm Playing.

                          www.gdvfd18.com

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