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    Ok so just having a discussion with some of the guys. We are wondering what department in the US has the most structure fire calls per year...? we have some bets around the table. if you can provide proof that would be great. Im just not the best with the whole google search thing.

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    Originally posted by Nick Brady View Post
    Ok so just having a discussion with some of the guys. We are wondering what department in the US has the most structure fire calls per year...? we have some bets around the table. if you can provide proof that would be great. Im just not the best with the whole google search thing.
    What defines a "structure fire call"
    -Is it a working fire (what defines a working fire?)
    -Does the count include good-intent false alarms?
    -Does the count include malicious false alarms?

    Interesting question for your second post. You aren't trolling by any chance, are you?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nick Brady View Post
      Ok so just having a discussion with some of the guys. We are wondering what department in the US has the most structure fire calls per year...? we have some bets around the table. if you can provide proof that would be great. Im just not the best with the whole google search thing.
      Toss up between Boosier Parrish, LA and Kentland, MD.

      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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      • #4
        Assuming it's a serious question, I'd opine that you'll find the answer based on two variables - size of the department, and age of the community.

        NFIRS data would probably provide the answer, but assuming one can find it compiled somewhere, the latest data is probably several years old.

        Considering the problems MikeWard says he had assembling the data in the "Department that Understands...." thread, getting more than an opinion (however informed) is going to be difficult.

        That said, my guess would be NYC.
        Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
          Toss up between Boosier Parrish, LA and Kentland, MD.

          Fook. Pass the paper towels and screen cleaner, please.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Nick Brady View Post
            Ok so just having a discussion with some of the guys. We are wondering what department in the US has the most structure fire calls per year...? we have some bets around the table. if you can provide proof that would be great. Im just not the best with the whole google search thing.

            One thing you can't go by is the run survey that Firehouse puts out. Every fire department doesn't submit their information. Plus some that do, inflates the numbers.

            Learn to use google.com as it is yor friend.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
              Toss up between Boosier Parrish, LA and Kentland, MD.

              Great. Where do I send the bill for one diet dr pepper and one laptop to?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
                One thing you can't go by is the run survey that Firehouse puts out. Every fire department doesn't submit their information. Plus some that do, inflates the numbers.

                Learn to use google.com as it is yor friend.
                Very true, it allows miniscule departments to feel alive.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tajm611 View Post
                  Very true, it allows miniscule departments to feel alive.
                  It also allows certain places, no names mentioned coughcoughkentlandcough to pad their stats by counting each and every time a single vehicle goes out the door as a "run."

                  (example- get dispatched to a house fire with an engine and a truck, they count that as two runs.)
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                  • #10
                    If its pure number of fires, then your biggest cities have the most volume. But if you look at many smaller cities...Detroit, Camden, Gary, East St. Louis, etc. then you would have to look at the percentage of fires vs. population. There are many places that still burn a lot.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
                      What defines a "structure fire call"
                      -Is it a working fire (what defines a working fire?)
                      -Does the count include good-intent false alarms?
                      -Does the count include malicious false alarms?

                      Interesting question for your second post. You aren't trolling by any chance, are you?
                      What the heck is trolling?? I would say it includes all of the above because the more good intent and malicious alarms, the more fires... No?

                      Well as soon as i posted that i thought about call volume. And it would obviously be the larger departments. But i suppose we just want to know what cities get more structure fires than others... For example most stations call ratio is 80% medical 20% everything else... So what city has the most fires compared to call volume... I guess would be the real question.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT View Post
                        If its pure number of fires, then your biggest cities have the most volume. But if you look at many smaller cities...Detroit, Camden, Gary, East St. Louis, etc. then you would have to look at the percentage of fires vs. population. There are many places that still burn a lot.
                        Yup, that is more what i was looking for. Would you say its the older cities with older buildings or would you say it is cities with a higher crime rate...? Or something else?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
                          One thing you can't go by is the run survey that Firehouse puts out. Every fire department doesn't submit their information. Plus some that do, inflates the numbers.
                          The "busy" departments are too busy fighting fires to fill out surveys.

                          The departments that have time to enter the "look how busy we are" contests are the same ones that kill several dry-erase markers at fires drawing up Incident Action Plans and filling out NIMS-ICS worksheets rather than putting the fire out and going home.
                          DFW



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nick Brady View Post
                            What the heck is trolling?? I would say it includes all of the above because the more good intent and malicious alarms, the more fires... No?

                            Well as soon as i posted that i thought about call volume. And it would obviously be the larger departments. But i suppose we just want to know what cities get more structure fires than others... For example most stations call ratio is 80% medical 20% everything else... So what city has the most fires compared to call volume... I guess would be the real question.
                            Quoting the 80/20 ratio makes my bs meter peg into the red...
                            ‎"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
                              Quoting the 80/20 ratio makes my bs meter peg into the red...
                              Well i think i received a couple positive parcels of information. Just askin for simple opinions for a simple thread fellas no need to put me on your Bull S*** meter or whatever the heck that is supposed to mean. Just wanted to know who is gettin to see the most fire these days cuz i know i certainly dont see much...

                              Anyway, thanks for the input guys

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