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  • 105
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Let me spell it out for you....

    This man is not entitled to be tried in our civilian courts.

    Call it a strawman, I don't care. So again, are you advocating eliminating all military courts? Certainly our military personnel are entitled to this transparency....
    It is a strawman. Which invalidates your entire argument.

    Well done. But please, feel free to embrace fascism if it helps you sleep at night. Personally, I think a teddy bear is a better idea.

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  • CaptOldTimer
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    Originally posted by DeputyChiefGonzo View Post
    More than likely an hour or two at most...
    You are right. Too many folks that want to abide by in the beltway says!

    That is what is wrong with this country now.

    Screw him, should have been dead years back. Send back in parts. Head first!

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by 105 View Post
    Did you miss the point, or are you intentionally setting up a straw man? Or both?

    "Transparency of the judicial process". Learn it. Live it. Love it.
    Let me spell it out for you....

    This man is not entitled to be tried in our civilian courts.

    Call it a strawman, I don't care. So again, are you advocating eliminating all military courts? Certainly our military personnel are entitled to this transparency....

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  • DeputyChiefGonzo
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    Originally posted by CaptOldTimer View Post
    Had this been a United States Citizen and they went to a foreign county as this guy was from, and committed the same type act, they would have been dead within the week after capture. No questions asked!!
    More than likely an hour or two at most...

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  • Rescue101
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    Originally posted by 1nvestigations View Post
    The "civilian" courts are quite capable of handing out justice. Believe me he's not going to walk. A protezoa will be elected President of the United States before that happens. Life in Supermax Colorado or in a miliary prison is still life.
    i know people did not want him to step foot on US soil. There will be a media circus there ( Tim Mcveigh trial) .
    Either way, he is guilty, will be found guilty and hopefully will be executed. It does not matter where he is, heck, try him in the Haige.
    The only difference is the military tribunal is not open to the public.
    Isn't that in place NOW? T.C.

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  • 105
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Are you advocating that the military turn over all legal proceedings to civilian courts?

    Certainly if the military can't be trusted with trying terrorists, they shouldn't be trying american military personnel, right?

    Did you miss the point, or are you intentionally setting up a straw man? Or both?

    "Transparency of the judicial process". Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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  • CaptOldTimer
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    Had this been a United States Citizen and they went to a foreign county as this guy was from, and committed the same type act, they would have been dead within the week after capture. No questions asked!!

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by 105 View Post
    Because it's a closed door process. If they opened the evidence and decision making process to external public review, I'd be all for it.

    Hell, I hate when our city hall makes decisions behind closed doors... really not a fan of the judiciary doing the same thing.
    Are you advocating that the military turn over all legal proceedings to civilian courts?

    Certainly if the military can't be trusted with trying terrorists, they shouldn't be trying american military personnel, right?

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  • 105
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Why no faith in the military tribunals?
    Because it's a closed door process. If they opened the evidence and decision making process to external public review, I'd be all for it.

    Hell, I hate when our city hall makes decisions behind closed doors... really not a fan of the judiciary doing the same thing.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by scfire86 View Post
    Because that is the system of justice in our country. The US justice systems, indicts, tries, convicts, and imprisons foreigners that commit crimes on US soil or against US interests abroad as well. Nationality isn't an issue.
    No... no.

    There is a long history of military tribunals being used in just this manner. THAT is also part of our justice system.

    Do a little research, you'll be surprised. Look up Operation Pastorius.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by 105 View Post
    Who gives a damn what they hate? If you allow their hatred to change your way of life - and your system of justice, then they've just kicked your arse. You're not trying to convince any extremist anywhere that the trial was fair - you're trying to convince your citizens that "hey - if we can give a fair and open trial to this dirtbag, you can rest assured that your justice system has not be bastardized by what happened".
    So its only to convince our own citizens? So, by moving it out of the military tribunal (where it belongs), what message are we sending about our military courts?

    That the trials was not fair?

    Will there be a truther brigade? Absolutely. Would I personally rather that than to just see "guilty" come out of a closed door process? Absolutely.
    Why no faith in the military tribunals?

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by 105 View Post
    I cried like a little girl watching old yeller.
    Same here. Actually like a little boy, since I was only seven at the time.

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  • scfire86
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    No need, our country finally got it right. He's not a citizen, he was not arrested in the US. Why would this even be considered for a civilian court?
    Because that is the system of justice in our country. The US justice systems, indicts, tries, convicts, and imprisons foreigners that commit crimes on US soil or against US interests abroad as well. Nationality isn't an issue.
    Last edited by scfire86; 04-05-2011, 11:12 AM.

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  • 105
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Tell me why this enemy foreign combatant taken into military custody overseas for committing an act of war against this country should be tried in a civilian court?

    Simply for transparency or because the evidence is "clear cut"? Thats illogical.

    Our enemies hate us because of our freedoms and liberty. The thought that we can convince them otherwise by the media circus that this trial would become is not true. They will hate us regardless and in fact, will not believe that this dirtbag will get a fair trial anywhere in the USA.

    The military tribunal will be fair and is appropriate in this scenario.

    I could care less what the truthers think or say... trust me, try him in a civilian court won't make a difference. Those folks have a deranged point of view that won't respond to logic.
    It's not about them. It's about us. They're going to hate you for a variety of reasons - including having a fair and equitable judicial system that takes logic into account and not emotive reaction and desire for vengeance.

    Who gives a damn what they hate? If you allow their hatred to change your way of life - and your system of justice, then they've just kicked your arse. You're not trying to convince any extremist anywhere that the trial was fair - you're trying to convince your citizens that "hey - if we can give a fair and open trial to this dirtbag, you can rest assured that your justice system has not be bastardized by what happened". Will there be a truther brigade? Absolutely. Would I personally rather that than to just see "guilty" come out of a closed door process? Absolutely.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by 105 View Post
    Sure there is. To silence anyone who ever says "he was railroaded". In a closed-court military tribunal, nobody will ever know what evidence was presented. If the case against him is so clear-cut, then put it out for everyone to see. Because otherwise, you will run up against the 911 truthers brigade....
    Tell me why this enemy foreign combatant taken into military custody overseas for committing an act of war against this country should be tried in a civilian court?

    Simply for transparency or because the evidence is "clear cut"? Thats illogical.

    Our enemies hate us because of our freedoms and liberty. The thought that we can convince them otherwise by the media circus that this trial would become is not true. They will hate us regardless and in fact, will not believe that this dirtbag will get a fair trial anywhere in the USA.

    The military tribunal will be fair and is appropriate in this scenario.

    I could care less what the truthers think or say... trust me, try him in a civilian court won't make a difference. Those folks have a deranged point of view that won't respond to logic.

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