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  • emt161
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    Not for nothing, but if you're obeying all traffic laws how "visible" do you really need to be? Do you use them during driver training, district inspections, or going to the school for fire prevention week? The career guys going out to buy dinner might as well use them enroute to the grocery store if visibility is the argument. But they don't, because it's dumb.

    The tow truck uses warning lights because it's got another vehicle hanging off the back of it. Even then, I saw one the other day that had more front-facing lights than our heavy rescue. You'd think they'd want most of their visibility to the rear, especially due to the hazards associated with being on the side of the road during a pickup.

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  • FiremanLyman
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    The Secret List had this yesterday;

    FDNY EXPANDS THEIR "NO LIGHTS/NO SIRENS" RESPONSE POLICY:

    Thirty percent of FDNY's runs are for non-fire, non-life threatening incidents. The number of non-fire and non-life-threatening calls received by them has nearly doubled over the past 20 years. They now account for nearly 300,000 of 1 million annual runs made by FDNY apparatus.
    Fire Commissioner Salvatore Cassano has ordered units to begin to slow down. Under the Fire Department's new "modified response" policy, trucks will now respond to some calls here at a reduced speed - obeying all traffic regulations - without the use of sirens and lights. Expansion of the program into Staten Island and Brooklyn follows a six-month trial in Queens, where accidents involving FDNY units were cut by 32 percent.
    The changes being put into effect by the FDNY safety program will not affect full-scale responses to fires and other life-threatening emergencies. Under "modified response," only the first-due units will respond emergency, allowing fire officers to determine what further response is needed.
    HERE IS MORE FOR YOU TO READ, 1 Media and 1 From FDNY:

    http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/pr...511_1811.shtml

    http://www.silive.com/opinion/editor...tional_re.html

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  • cbausch
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    Iselin fire, nj we do a non emergency response to water alarm, co, mutual aid standby's (to cover there house) and only on co calls that a home owner calls it in if the alarm company calls it in or pd we respond lights a sirens

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  • daff243
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    My Dept. just changed their response priority.
    as a Fire/EMS dept., both the rescue (ambulance) and either a pumper,quint, or ladder would both be dispatched to any medical emergency code 3. now, with this new dispatch system, we have different response types

    Alpha-pumper,ladder, quint code 1
    Bravo- pumper, ladder, or quint code 3
    Charlie-Rescue code 3
    Delta- Fire apparatus and rescue code 3

    now, all response types are determined on what the caller tells the dispatcher, with this new system, it prioritizes what type of responise will be needed. this was basically done to reduce the number of calls the rescues were running.

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  • HFDCasiano
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    In Houston we run non emergent for assist a citizen, automatic alarms if OEC tells us to and respond non emergency and on house fires and apt fires. I'll explain.

    If dispatched to house on fire or apt. fire we will all respond emergency to the call. The first in will go on location "investigating," this prompts OEC to sound out a tone on the assigned tac channel that an engine has gone on location investigating and for all units to respond non emergency. " E76 on location, 3 story wood frame apt, will be investigating." OEC- TONE - "All units responding to 4315 s.kirkwood, respond non emergency, E76 is onscene investigating."

    On high rise boxes and building fires we continue to respond emergency even if a unit has gone on location investigating.

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  • DetroitFF
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    Originally posted by WoppA124 View Post
    I'm a firefighter doing a research project for a college course; Can anyone answer with any departments they know who respond without lights and sirens and obeying all traffic laws to certain types of calls.

    So far I know that St Louis FD and Detroit FD does. And the FDNY is testing it out. Thanks.
    What kinds of calls are you referring to where Detroit supposedly doesn't run lights and sirens?

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  • treeguy
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    OK, I've got some more questions, so I'll start a new thread.

    Back to your thread already in progress. I'll start it off.
    Sometimes at night, I run siren but no lights, just to keep em guessing.

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  • snowball
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    Originally posted by treeguy View Post
    Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread but, What do you do at a flooded basement?
    Shut off the water, pump it out, then put the water vac on the low man and let him go.

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  • treeguy
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    Originally posted by EngineCO38 View Post
    There isn't much we don't run lights and sirens for, but when I say "lights and sirens" Sirens are not always a requirement. The things I can list we don't run code for, are flooded basements calls. And honestly that is about it, any other non-life threatening call its left up to the officer and driver/operator on whether or not lights are used.

    Lift assists, tree's and wires calls, similar stuff such as that we will run pretty much lights only.
    Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread but, What do you do at a flooded basement?

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  • Weruj1
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    we do ...........

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  • B_TURNER1554
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    Our Department policy is unless its is a fire or medical or mva in your first due or we are upgraded by the battalion that every one else responds non emergency...

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  • 105
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    Originally posted by cozmosis View Post
    So what happens if one of the lights-only trucks comes to a red light. Do they sit there in traffic with their warning lights flashing and wait for the light to turn green? I'm honest to goodness asking out curiosity.
    Yepper - all stop signs, yield signs, red lights are obeyed. It's interesting that is seems to be quite rare - I've honestly only suspicions why it occurs here (such as liability issues, visibility issues, etc. etc.) but they are only suspicions rather than actual facts regarding legislation.

    Notwithstanding, it's pretty much policy up here. That, and freezing your arse off from september to may.

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  • cozmosis
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    Originally posted by 105 View Post
    Subsequent trucks leave the hall with only lights flashing unless there is a dire need to get them on-scene as soon as possible. They also obey all traffic laws and act as just another vehicle on the road.
    So what happens if one of the lights-only trucks comes to a red light. Do they sit there in traffic with their warning lights flashing and wait for the light to turn green? I'm honest to goodness asking out curiosity.

    In Arkansas, state law says that you are not considered an emergency vehicle unless you use an "audible bell, siren or whistle" in conjunction with your emergency lights. With that said, I work for a suburban department and we don't use the siren much if there is no traffic on the road.

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  • sts060
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    Not that long ago, a driver in the No. Virginia area was killed by a police officer who ran a red ight without sirens. Here in Maryland, you must use audible warnings along with the light show if you want to request right of way. Anyway, I have to agree with those who are puzzled by the idea of using emergency lights on a non-emergent response; around here, it would just confuse people. The only time we turn on emergency lights other than an actual emergency response is when we need to back into the station.

    Now, as to the original question - we run routine responses for:
    - service calls (help a patient into bed, lockouts when there is not an immediate danger of fire or harm)
    - when the first arriving unit has nothing evident and requests the other units to slow down their response
    - an assault or suicide call when our good friends the police haven't secured the scene yet.

    ETA: this is for Montgomery Co., MD

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  • nameless
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    and they get smashed a lot too.

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