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  • #16
    Originally posted by snowball View Post
    On a f-ing Saturday of all things.
    No kidding.

    Some of you guys are rediculous. If this upsets you so bad I'm sure the magazine will continue to be produced without your $20 a year.

    As a matter of fact, I see an add on here right now for Chevy and I drive a Ford. I am cancelling all 3 subscriptions for my department first thing monday.

    Give it a rest.
    Career Firefighter
    Volunteer Captain

    -Professional in Either Role-

    Originally posted by Rescue101
    I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
      No kidding.

      Some of you guys are rediculous. If this upsets you so bad I'm sure the magazine will continue to be produced without your $20 a year.

      As a matter of fact, I see an add on here right now for Chevy and I drive a Ford. I am cancelling all 3 subscriptions for my department first thing monday.

      Give it a rest.

      Um, no you are ridiculous. (Psst. No e)

      Labor, Unions, AND closer to home FIRE DEPARTMENTS are being decimated right now by politicians influenced by groups like this. You comparing this to a Chevy/Ford rivalry is ludicrous and beneath you.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
      Millions of people living as foes
      Maybe it's not too late
      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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      • #18
        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
        Really? You don't control what is in an ad space on YOUR website? Come on really? So if google started running porn ads or adult dating services ads you would have no control over that?

        You are expecting us to believe that you are allowing Google and others to run ads on FH.com with no pre-screening or approval by your web team. If that is true I am absolutely flabergasted at your naivety.
        No, the website doesn't get to see what is ran. Google scans content of the website and adjust its ad's accordingly, if you were on a car forum you would see ads from the highest bidder (such as k&n, and no self respecting legitimately fast vehicle would touch k&n). It's done on such a widespread scale (facebook, myspace, pretty much everything) that it would be stupid to assume FH gets a list of all ads forthcoming for their approval.

        If you were on a porn site, you'd see porn ads. If you were on a car forum, you'd see car ads.

        You were on a firefighting forum, you saw an ad dealing with firefighters, its that simple. Take off your foil cap.
        ‎"I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey

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        • #19
          As a side note you are allowed to reject specific advertisers, but its usually after they are on there, to prevent competition from advertising on your page or if they break TOC.
          ‎"I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey

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          • #20
            Originally posted by VinnieB View Post
            I stopped subbing to FH Mag a few years ago. I too got tired of the lack of usefull information and the massive amount of junk adds. Not to mention seeing articles from a certain Western State, Hawaiian shirt wearing nit-wit...I think it was the one on use of colored markers that made me cancel. I come to the forums only for entertainment...and there is alot of it. I don't even read FE Mag anymore...a better publication IMO, but much of it doesn't apply to where I work. I stick to my Dept Pubs and WNYF. I need to know what to do as the 2d Due roof at a top floor brownstone...not all the silly hose load types for a volunteer dept with 2 people on a rig.

            I have to agree with you, a lot of articles in FH and FE do seem to be written for very low density areas. Its not often you find a really good article about urban firefighting, and this is coming from a guy in a mid-sized city.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by tajm611 View Post
              No, the website doesn't get to see what is ran. Google scans content of the website and adjust its ad's accordingly, if you were on a car forum you would see ads from the highest bidder (such as k&n, and no self respecting legitimately fast vehicle would touch k&n). It's done on such a widespread scale (facebook, myspace, pretty much everything) that it would be stupid to assume FH gets a list of all ads forthcoming for their approval.

              If you were on a porn site, you'd see porn ads. If you were on a car forum, you'd see car ads.

              You were on a firefighting forum, you saw an ad dealing with firefighters, its that simple. Take off your foil cap.
              No foil cap. I am incredulous that ANYONE would surrender that control to an outside company. If that is the way business is done today that is sad.


              You don't have to like my opinion, and I don't have to like yours. I will take off my foil cap when you take off your blinders.
              Crazy, but that's how it goes
              Millions of people living as foes
              Maybe it's not too late
              To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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              • #22
                Hey Vinnie,

                I have a great idea, and I am 100% serious. How about you get a bunch of Urban Firefighters and found a magazine called Urban Firefigting? I am sure it would sell. You cover ONLY Urban tactics, techniques, equipment, and apparatus.

                I want the first subscription.
                Crazy, but that's how it goes
                Millions of people living as foes
                Maybe it's not too late
                To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                • #23
                  Like this one? http://www.urbanfirefighter.com/index.html

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                    Hey Vinnie,

                    I have a great idea, and I am 100% serious. How about you get a bunch of Urban Firefighters and found a magazine called Urban Firefigting? I am sure it would sell. You cover ONLY Urban tactics, techniques, equipment, and apparatus.

                    I want the first subscription.
                    Yeah I was gonna say it's already been done. Again, someone beat me to it lol.
                    "A fire department that writes off civilians faster than an express line of 6 reasons or less is not progressive, it's dangerous, because it's run by fear. Fear does not save lives, it endangers them." -- Lt. Ray McCormack FDNY

                    "Because if you don't think you're good, nobody else will." -- DC Tom Laun (ret) Syracuse

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                    • #25
                      Sorry, I do not consider a website the same as a hard copy magazine.

                      I am fully aware of http://www.urbanfirefighter.com/index.html andd have visited it many times.
                      Crazy, but that's how it goes
                      Millions of people living as foes
                      Maybe it's not too late
                      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                        Sorry, I do not consider a website the same as a hard copy magazine.

                        I am fully aware of http://www.urbanfirefighter.com/index.html andd have visited it many times.
                        I thought you could subscribe to a hard copy, but maybe I'm mistaken.
                        "A fire department that writes off civilians faster than an express line of 6 reasons or less is not progressive, it's dangerous, because it's run by fear. Fear does not save lives, it endangers them." -- Lt. Ray McCormack FDNY

                        "Because if you don't think you're good, nobody else will." -- DC Tom Laun (ret) Syracuse

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by dfwfirefighter View Post
                          That's why I subscribe to Fire Engineering. I visit Firehouse.com almost exclusively for the forums.

                          I remember when Firehouse magazine used to be a leader in the world of fire service publications. Over the years, they've digressed to articles about "How many strobe lights and Federal Q2B's can you operate on one battery?" articles instead of the meat and potatoes of firefighting - strategies and tactics, leadership, EMS, and etc.

                          If you want to read about Podunk, USA's 6 billion dollar tractor-drawn, heavy rescue, tandem-axled, jet-powered quint, read Firehouse.

                          If you want to read about how to be a better firefighter and fire officer, read Fire Engineering.

                          Long before Dennis Smith started Fireouse Masgazine, the likes of "Fireman", an nfpa publication was a pretty good magazine to read. Fire Engineering has always been the leader and the best source for the fire service.

                          I still have many old magazines that I have held on for whatever reason. I will look back in the early 1960's or 1970's every now and then to compare. You know what the ads were there and they were fighting fire very much as we do today. Even the ones from the 50's are still good to re-read.

                          There are other magazines that are good sources. Since the internet, magazine subcriptions have dropped. This means that it takes money to publish, has to come from somwhere. They have to sell advestisements to survive.

                          If you look at all the fire related sites, and magazines you will see a lot of ads.

                          I for one could care less what they advertise. I may look at some but for the most part I don't even see them.

                          The WNYF are a great publications too.
                          Last edited by CaptOldTimer; 03-13-2011, 02:54 PM.
                          Stay Safe and Well Out There....

                          Always remembering 9-11-2001 and 343+ Brothers

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                            Sorry, I do not consider a website the same as a hard copy magazine.

                            I am fully aware of http://www.urbanfirefighter.com/index.html andd have visited it many times.
                            The days of paper copy magazines, especially ones with such small potential subscriber bases as one for urban firefighters, are not long for this world. If you're waiting for anyone to start a new printed magazine in this day age, you've got a long wait ahead.

                            This one in particular is much more than a "website". The actually produce a magazine in typical magazine format. If you want to pay $10 to print one off on nice glossy paper, I suppose you could.

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                            • #29
                              Same boat as Vinnie here. This place has become a daily jaunt for entertainment purposes mainly. Only lately has the occasional person with questions after doing an actual search has come in.

                              Kudos to FH for actually looking into and addressing the issue.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                                No foil cap. I am incredulous that ANYONE would surrender that control to an outside company. If that is the way business is done today that is sad.


                                You don't have to like my opinion, and I don't have to like yours. I will take off my foil cap when you take off your blinders.
                                Because I know what I'm talking about and you don't doesn't mean I have blinders on. You're getting worked up on something you have no knowledge about. FH even stated they have no clue what was in the ads. It's not an opinion that the site owners/moderators don't have a list of ad's to choose from, its a fact. Being it made your child like outrage null, you rambled on. I never claimed it was a great business practice, just telling you how it works.
                                ‎"I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey

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