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    The other day My Vollie house caught a job that came out as a Tree on Fire. We rolled the Brush truck and County sent one as well for backup and we proceeded to put the wet stuff on the red stuff... Easy enough right? Yeah about that... It took us 200 Gallons of water to put this thing out. One of the Farmers in the area was burning his ditch line and the fire got into a hollowed out tree and went ignorant. Anybody else ever have one that just refused to submit?
    Do not let the ghosts of our fallen brothers gaze upon you and ask " What have you done to my profession?" FTB DTRT EGH

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    We use a TFT Bubble Cup nozzle and initially use the foam at a dish water type mix, soupy but sudsy. This consistency allows the foams to seep into all the nooks and crannies of the tree and effect extinguishment. If we need to move on because of other trees or a spreading brush fore we may bury the tree in move shaving cream type foam. All we have to do is change the setting on the nozzle to accomplish that.
    Crazy, but that's how it goes
    Millions of people living as foes
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    • #3
      Its SOP here to "wet" the water with foam.

      Typically, with the state we batch mix a low percentage of foam and that helps tremendously.
      I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

      "The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list."

      "When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water."

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      • #4
        Just this summer we had hundreds and hundreds of 50-90' Cypress trees burning in a dry lakebed that refused to go out.

        Cedar trees can be equally challenging.
        Train to fight the fires you fight.

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        • #5
          Cedar trees are a bear to fight and it seems like they almost combust when a heat source is near them. As for foam I can not give you an educated anwser on why My department does not use it we just dont. However I think it would make life easier for the guys that do the firefighting.
          Do not let the ghosts of our fallen brothers gaze upon you and ask " What have you done to my profession?" FTB DTRT EGH

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          • #6
            Trees

            When I worked in the local mountains here, we had A LOT of stubborn tree fires.

            Some of the ways that we dealt with them were: Class A Foam, Dawn dish washing detergent (cheap substitute for Class A Foam), digging the main roots up and extracting the stump, for standing "smokers" we had the USFS Sawyers across town drop the trees for us (fun to watch, fun for them and the guys here are amazing at it) and we also cleared the area of duff and let them burn (issue here is fire spread through the root system).

            If your Chief won't flip the bill for Class A Foam then try to convince them to buy Dawn dish washing soap (check with your Mechanics and Pump Manufacture to make sure it won't screw-up your Pumps seals). If memory serves me correct it's about $1 or so a bottle and works well as opposed to $100 bucks a bottle for Class A Foam.
            "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

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            • #7
              was there a danger if it fell ? If it had enough black around it, and was dead, why make a mess ? Flag it and let it burn clean. Now if it was a hazard, either drop it or cut a window in it and flood it from below.
              ?

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              • #8
                And.......

                Having seen a few of these type Fires, I have to agree with the Class A Foam/Dishwasing Soap Guys. Back when I started in the Late 50's, There was a thing called "Wet Water". You had a Gadget monted on your apparatus, either piped from the pump or fed by a 1.5 hose, with a 1.5 discharge. The top of it opened, and you inserted a Stick of hard Detergent material, closed the top and charged the line. water flowed thru the thing and out the Attack Line. Each stick gave you about a half hour of really Soapy water before it was used up. They're probably still some around, but I haven't seen one for years in this area.


                Sudden Thought - HEY, FWD?? You know what I'm talking about here?........ Your knowledge of Antique Apparatus, you might have seen one......
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                • #9
                  Haven't had much trouble with tree fires - the remains of abandoned barns are another story. Once again, soap (in whatever version - dish or Class A) is the answer. The old outbuildings are usually gone, but the old floor is often there, with plenty of little void spaces.

                  Years ago (pre-class A foam) went back to one place three or four times. We'd put out everything we could find each time - no smoke showing when we left, but it was pretty deep seated and would start showing again.

                  Some years later we'd been doing foam practice using dish soap. We had another stubborn old barn with fire under the floor, so we mixed up five gallons of "foam solution" with the dish detergent and used an eductor for application. It worked.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hwoods View Post
                    Having seen a few of these type Fires, I have to agree with the Class A Foam/Dishwasing Soap Guys. Back when I started in the Late 50's, There was a thing called "Wet Water". You had a Gadget monted on your apparatus, either piped from the pump or fed by a 1.5 hose, with a 1.5 discharge. The top of it opened, and you inserted a Stick of hard Detergent material, closed the top and charged the line. water flowed thru the thing and out the Attack Line. Each stick gave you about a half hour of really Soapy water before it was used up. They're probably still some around, but I haven't seen one for years in this area.


                    Sudden Thought - HEY, FWD?? You know what I'm talking about here?........ Your knowledge of Antique Apparatus, you might have seen one......
                    You better be careful about that antique comment, I Know there are still some of the Old foam sticks around.

                    As far as stubborn trees, You can Dump 1000 gals of water into one and it will smile and keep coming at you. The only way to mop it up good is drop the tree and then start buckin it up. But the worst Hands down is Pine duff, you have to almost let that crap burn out.
                    Courage, Being Scared to Death and Saddling Up anyways.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                      We use a TFT Bubble Cup nozzle and initially use the foam at a dish water type mix, soupy but sudsy. This consistency allows the foams to seep into all the nooks and crannies of the tree and effect extinguishment. If we need to move on because of other trees or a spreading brush fore we may bury the tree in move shaving cream type foam. All we have to do is change the setting on the nozzle to accomplish that.
                      Exactly the same thing here. We don't get a lot of brush fires because we are 98% urban bedroom community but we do lots of mutual aid to our neighbors.


                      Except we don't have to fight bears!!
                      Jason Knecht
                      Firefighter/EMT
                      Township Fire Dept., Inc.
                      Eau Claire, WI

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by IronValor View Post
                        The other day My Vollie house caught a job that came out as a Tree on Fire. We rolled the Brush truck and County sent one as well for backup and we proceeded to put the wet stuff on the red stuff... Easy enough right? Yeah about that... It took us 200 Gallons of water to put this thing out. One of the Farmers in the area was burning his ditch line and the fire got into a hollowed out tree and went ignorant. Anybody else ever have one that just refused to submit?
                        Every day fire. Drop the tree. Do a burn for a nice black area for it to lay in. Go home.

                        Drop the tree, and cut it up if you need to into little pieces.

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                        • #13
                          I agree with LVFD - why have a "water shuttle/ foam training class " on something that the owner wants gone any how ? Sometimes letting some thing burn is the best option.
                          ?

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                          • #14
                            Yeah sure, drop it let it burn...not here, the DNR wants it out or someone to sit and watch it burn. This FD is volunteer and guys need to get back to work or back to their families. We are not going to sit and watch a tree burn for hours. It gets put out.
                            Crazy, but that's how it goes
                            Millions of people living as foes
                            Maybe it's not too late
                            To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                            • #15
                              LOL... We don't have the DNR issues you do.

                              And with a nicely cleared out area around it, we all go home and don't worry about it.

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