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  • #46
    If the ladder is at the correct angle it SHOULD not slip out on concrete.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by admpaul View Post
      If the ladder is at the correct angle it SHOULD not slip out on concrete.
      Really? Put a firefighter on that ladder, carry tools, OR rescuing a scared out of their mind victim and let's see how smoothly the climbing goes and how much the ladder bounces.

      Sorry, if the personnel are available, or there is something to tie off to, securing the ladder is the right choice. Falling 10 feet or more to the concrete will do you or your victim not one bit of good.
      Crazy, but that's how it goes
      Millions of people living as foes
      Maybe it's not too late
      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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      • #48
        Originally posted by admpaul View Post
        If the ladder is at the correct angle it SHOULD not slip out on concrete.
        While this seems "obvious", when putting a wall/roof ladder to the sill for VES, there's a good chance the angle will be more shallow than the "correct" climbing angle. In most cases the correct angle sticker on ladders are too steep for comfort when wearing SCBA and carrying tools. But knowing the anticipated obstacles and properly selecting the ladder will certainly be a plus.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by admpaul View Post
          If the ladder is at the correct angle it SHOULD not slip out on concrete.
          Anything that should never happen will always happen.
          ‎"I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey

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          • #50
            I was just addressing the orginal question about ladders slipping on concrete. I do teach my students that ladders MUST be healed or tied off.

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            • #51
              Double post. Please delete.
              Last edited by pipeman1822; 03-02-2011, 05:38 PM.

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              • #52
                Double post. Please delete.
                Last edited by pipeman1822; 03-02-2011, 05:37 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                  I pity you city guys. I sit in my kitchen and can see deer, hawks, cardinals, wood peckers, morning doves, the occasional bald eagle and every once in a while opposums and racoons. My pond out back has got fish, frogs, turtles, and a musk rat. I have had wood ducks nesting here. Sand hill cranes, Canadian geese and ducks fly over in warmer weather to the river across the street.

                  My little part of paradise is just over 14 acres in a small rural community of around 700. I have a mixture of farm field, small woods, and the pond. I smile every time one of the guys I work with talk about moving up "Nort ay?" Sure I have a heck of a commute now, around 100 miles, but the money I spend on my house is for my retirement, not something to sell and move to a different house when I retire.

                  Honestly, I don't know how you guys do it. The noise, the neighbors so close you can hear then fart in their living room, no grass, no nature...I would go out of my mind.
                  It's just having a different personality. I don't have a huge yard or any of that but I've got 100 bars, restaurants and stores within a 15 minute walk, a world class subway system, and beautiful architecture. It's what I prefer. However there's so many times that I wish I had a nice and quiet house with a huge yard. Unfortunately it's one or the other. If only we got paid the money to have a house in both locations.

                  Also I forgot to reply to your other post. I wasn't talking about ladders on the concrete. I was just saying that we do single man raises because we throw a lot of ladders. Pretty much every ladder comes off the truck if needed. However, they aren't all climbed. We throw them, vent the window, and leave it there as a means of egress. It's just an extra safety thing if needed. Here's a picture and a story from my volly department across the DC/MD line. http://www.vententersearch.com/?p=713

                  Last edited by pipeman1822; 03-02-2011, 06:42 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                    Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                    Fact is, given that the majority of our ventilation is PPV, there are little opportunities to throw ladders at incidents due to building construction. We still do truck work - It simply rarely involves ladders.


                    Flattered that you decided to use a quote of mine.

                    Really, I am.
                    How is there no opportunity to throw ladders due to the building construction? I've NEVER heard that one before. How do you do vertical ventilation or horizontal ventilation anywhere higher than the first floor? I guess if you're going to stand outside the whole time it doesn't matter though right?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by pipeman1822 View Post
                      It's just having a different personality. I don't have a huge yard or any of that but I've got 100 bars, restaurants and stores within a 15 minute walk, a world class subway system, and beautiful architecture. It's what I prefer. However there's so many times that I wish I had a nice and quiet house with a huge yard. Unfortunately it's one or the other. If only we got paid the money to have a house in both locations.

                      It is a diferent personality indeed. I like that my closest neighbors on the west side of me are 500 and 600 feet away. I like that my closest neighbor on the east is about 500 yards away. No neighbor to the north and about a 1/2 mile or so to the closest neighbor on the south. Quirt, peaceful, and generally I can do what ever I want without bothering anyone, including thrashing in my shop doing auto repairs or woodworking to all hours of the night.

                      I am less than 1/2 hour from Madison, and 15 minutes from Portage, a city of around 12K with K-Mart, Wal-Mart, TSC, lumber yards, etc, or 35 minutes from Beaver Dam, a city of 15K with Wal-Mart, Menards, Fleet Farm, and more. Also, we are roughly 1/2 hour from Wisconsin Dells a tourist mecca year round with amusement parks and water parks. I guess I like being close enough to go and get or go and do if need be, yet far enough away that 12 cars down my road makes me wonder what the hell is going on today!!


                      Also I forgot to reply to your other post. I wasn't talking about ladders on the concrete. I was just saying that we do single man raises because we throw a lot of ladders. Pretty much every ladder comes off the truck if needed. However, they aren't all climbed. We throw them, vent the window, and leave it there as a means of egress. It's just an extra safety thing if needed. Here's a picture and a story from my volly department across the DC/MD line. http://www.vententersearch.com/?p=713

                      I wish either of my departments was better at throwing ladders like this. Rarely will you see extra ladders thrown for extra egress. I whole heartedly agree that it is definitely an extra safety thing.


                      Dude,

                      You had me going for a second. I went to post and you had that pic with the guy with the saw and then I came back and you changed pics...Thought I was losing what little sanity I still claimed.
                      Last edited by FyredUp; 03-03-2011, 01:34 AM.
                      Crazy, but that's how it goes
                      Millions of people living as foes
                      Maybe it's not too late
                      To learn how to love, and forget how to hate

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by pipeman1822 View Post
                        It's just having a different personality. I don't have a huge yard or any of that but I've got 100 bars, restaurants and stores within a 15 minute walk, a world class subway system, and beautiful architecture. It's what I prefer. However there's so many times that I wish I had a nice and quiet house with a huge yard. Unfortunately it's one or the other. If only we got paid the money to have a house in both locations.

                        Also I forgot to reply to your other post. I wasn't talking about ladders on the concrete. I was just saying that we do single man raises because we throw a lot of ladders. Pretty much every ladder comes off the truck if needed. However, they aren't all climbed. We throw them, vent the window, and leave it there as a means of egress. It's just an extra safety thing if needed. Here's a picture and a story from my volly department across the DC/MD line. http://www.vententersearch.com/?p=713


                        That picture always offset some of the insanity I read here. Thanks for brightening
                        My day
                        ‎"I was always taught..." Four words impacting fire service education in the most negative of ways. -Bill Carey

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by FyredUp View Post
                          Dude,

                          You had me going for a second. I went to post and you had that pic with the guy with the saw and then I came back and you changed pics...Thought I was losing what little sanity I still claimed.
                          Yea I realized I had the wrong picture up at first. haha

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                          • #58
                            That small house in the front needs to be laddered too.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Deluge059 View Post
                              That small house in the front needs to be laddered too.
                              It was...on the 3 side, with LA's soapbox.
                              Proud East Coast Traditionalist.

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                              • #60
                                So, with you being in DC, who guards the ladders so they are not stolen and scrapped? LOL
                                My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
                                "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
                                George Mason
                                Co-author of the Second Amendment
                                during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
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