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  • FIREMECH1
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    Originally posted by E40FDNYL35 View Post
    anyway...ems will have new chains put on by our shops...all spare ambulances have chains now..... that by the way is new for ems.

    on the fire side our mpo's and lcc's will have chains on our rigs as needed.
    We get our fair share of deep snowfalls. With that, all rigs are issued chains, or at least checked over. While all of the rigs have On-Spots, as soon as there is plowable snow on the ground, ALL rigs are ordered to mount/install their chains.

    The dept. supplies the chains, and the crews are responsible for putting them on, as well as maintaining and repairing them.

    The only time I get involved, is when the chains break, and pull the metal up against the tire, or over it.

    Guess I'm just a little surprised that they are now, using chains. Figured it was a no-brainer for those that get more than 4 inches of snow.

    FM1

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  • dfwfirefighter
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    Since they are holding the Chief of EMS responsible, I wonder if he could use the example of meteorolgists making inaccurate weather forecasts pitch the idea of punishment consistent with the "offense".

    How many meteorolgists have gotten fired (or demoted, reassigned, and/or etc.) for saying "tomorrow will be a beautiful sunny, warm, and dry day with no chance of rain" and the result is thunderstorms all day and weather hovering aroud the freezing mark?

    In comparison with the FDNY EMS issue, there are costly consequences to inaccurate weather forecasts, such as travel delays, cancelled family picnics (and the associated party items going bad), and etc.

    By the way, the F-35 program is out of control with regards to cost over-runs... are they going to fire the heads of the USN and USAF too?

    It's a sad time when the focus is not on fixing an issue - but rather assigning blame and then continuing "business as usual" until the next issue (and probably a repeat "offense") rears it's ugly head.

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  • DennisTheMenace
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    Originally posted by nyckftbl View Post
    Yeah the brush fire units were put in service, and I believe some of the TACs too.
    That is good, the Gators that are usually reserved for special events were used here last year. Great for getting patients from side streets out to the cleared main roads, but still takes 3-4x as long per call.

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  • simpllyhuge
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    I don't know how true it is but some article mentioned that he was in suspected for accepting a trip from some company that does business with FDNY. I guess hinting that this was just a way to fire him in a more PC manner. I could be wrong so don't jump down my throat please.

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  • E40FDNYL35
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    Originally posted by nyckftbl View Post
    You ever remember having to keep the chains on the rigs for 4 days? lol
    lol no ....i worked in manhattan

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  • nyckftbl
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    Originally posted by E40FDNYL35 View Post
    anyway...ems will have new chains put on by our shops...all spare ambulances have chains now..... that by the way is new for ems.

    on the fire side our mpo's and lcc's will have chains on our rigs as needed.
    You ever remember having to keep the chains on the rigs for 4 days? lol

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  • E40FDNYL35
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    anyway...ems will have new chains put on by our shops...all spare ambulances have chains now..... that by the way is new for ems.

    on the fire side our mpo's and lcc's will have chains on our rigs as needed.

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  • nyckftbl
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So chains for the rigs. Seems like a no-brainer. Is that happening?

    Hell, the guy delivering my mail has "chains" on his truck.
    No idea, I dont work for EMS.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by nyckftbl View Post
    Nice strawman...but just because I asked what he was referencing doesnt mean I dont believe there could be improvements.
    So chains for the rigs. Seems like a no-brainer. Is that happening?

    Hell, the guy delivering my mail has "chains" on his truck.

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  • nyckftbl
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    Posters on here talked about using snowmobiles, snowtracks, 4x4's, etc. I posted my thoughts that FDNY did everything they could to maintain their responses to calls.

    I then said I assume the FDNY higher ups have researched methods from other cities that deal with heavy snow falls more often.

    I was not questioning anything. I have no idea if anything there needs fixing.

    I didn't fire the EMS Chief...so someone else must have some questions on what happened since they fired him.

    Please accept my apology for getting involved in a discussion.
    Apologies then for reading into the comment about the weather (I happen to be a bit of a weather buff, so I kind of took it the as sarcastic then)...as far as I know most major cities do pretty much what we do....and more often than not (contrary to some postings here), NYC usually handles snow very well, and its not a problem.

    The biggest thing that should be changed immediately is giving EMS chains for their rigs.

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  • nyckftbl
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    So there was no room for improvement?

    That's wonderful to hear!
    Nice strawman...but just because I asked what he was referencing doesnt mean I dont believe there could be improvements.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by nyckftbl View Post
    I Still have no idea what you are talking about. what exactly was wrong with our ops that needed fixing?
    So there was no room for improvement?

    That's wonderful to hear!

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  • Bones42
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    Posters on here talked about using snowmobiles, snowtracks, 4x4's, etc. I posted my thoughts that FDNY did everything they could to maintain their responses to calls.

    I then said I assume the FDNY higher ups have researched methods from other cities that deal with heavy snow falls more often.

    I was not questioning anything. I have no idea if anything there needs fixing.

    I didn't fire the EMS Chief...so someone else must have some questions on what happened since they fired him.

    Please accept my apology for getting involved in a discussion.

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  • nyckftbl
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    Originally posted by Bones42 View Post
    Didn't say anything was wrong with your ops. In fact, stated I was sure the guys did the best they could.

    Then went on to talk about research other possible methods, which again I am fairly sure your department has.

    Someone else posted earlier using snowmobiles/snowcats which can work places, but probably not in NYC. I'm sure Boston and other cities have dealt with snow levels like NYC recently experienced on a more often basis. They may have some better ideas that have been tested/tried. I'm very willing to assume that their (and other) operations in snow conditions have been looked at.

    Not sure why you think I'm questioning your ops...I'm more commending your ops. As you said, there are closures of companies...snowmobiles/cats ain't happening for you. Any possible blame should be going up the ladder to the bean counters, not the FD.
    Boston only averages about 12 more inches of snow per year than us....and typically face the same amount of snowfalls greater than 12".

    And Im not saying your questioning the ops....Im asking you what you are questioning/what needs fixing.
    Last edited by nyckftbl; 01-11-2011, 01:01 PM.

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  • Bones42
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    Didn't say anything was wrong with your ops. In fact, stated I was sure the guys did the best they could.

    Then went on to talk about research other possible methods, which again I am fairly sure your department has.

    Someone else posted earlier using snowmobiles/snowcats which can work places, but probably not in NYC. I'm sure Boston and other cities have dealt with snow levels like NYC recently experienced on a more often basis. They may have some better ideas that have been tested/tried. I'm very willing to assume that their (and other) operations in snow conditions have been looked at.

    Not sure why you think I'm questioning your ops...I'm more commending your ops. As you said, there are closures of companies...snowmobiles/cats ain't happening for you. Any possible blame should be going up the ladder to the bean counters, not the FD.

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