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  • #16
    Originally posted by Rescue101 View Post
    Off gassing hasn't been much of a problem but they leave a OUCH if they melt off and fall. T.C.
    That is very true.

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    • #17
      It may not be a bad idea to talk to the neighbors surrounding the property and let them know that you will burning the house. That gives you a chance to see if they have any concerns that can be addressed before the burn.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by tree_house View Post
        It may not be a bad idea to talk to the neighbors surrounding the property and let them know that you will burning the house. That gives you a chance to see if they have any concerns that can be addressed before the burn.
        This is another thing I had forgotten about. If it's in town, make sure and let the City Council know as well.

        The last one we did was off of the highway that runs through town. Not only did neighbors appreciat the heads-up, but the City helped with traffic control and shutting down the street we were on, and we had a pretty large audience that included the media.

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        • #19
          I usually have a meeting a week or two before with departments that will be assisting to go over what we would be doing. I make a sheet of the house layout, RIT, Lighters, Water Supply, Tankers, Attack engine,back up engine, Rehab, and a staging area. I also have staging for trucks to respond to calls with assigned crews. I have every thing layed out on paper and go over it with every one so we all are on the same page. Then it also wouldn't hurt to do a dry run of setting up how you would set up everything I mentioned on the day of the drill.

          I also make people going in to provide a copy of their fire card and I have a "safety officer" who inspects every one going in to make sure all their ppe is on the proper way and to make sure there is no problem with their gear. (we had a house for about 4 months and burned it 2 weeks ago a bone head attempted to go inside with out his hood on) therefore the safety guy caught it and corrected the situation. I uaually have the accountability person working with the safety person as it helps out a lot.

          Like others say make sure you have epa permits if required and follow 1403.

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          • #20
            I got to go take a Look at the building over this weekend, There is still a Ton of Furniture and other crap inside the building, but out side of that, it looks promising. The Entire Place has been Sheet-rocked, But some places have been covered with Fiber board and some goofy wall coverings. We counted 3 possible exit doors, 2 where being used one has been very poorly covered up, the same with 2-3 windows. The one thing that does have me worried is that the "contractor" and i use that term loosely let some pretty major gaps in the Sheet-rock. I will post some pictures up in the very near future and let you guys throw your comments in.
            Courage, Being Scared to Death and Saddling Up anyways.

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            • #21
              And..........

              You have gotten some very good advice so far, I won't go into that. One Thing that we have done in the past is make a 3.5 X 7.5 (Foot) Hole in the roof, then Lay a 4 X 8 Sheet of Plywood over the hole and attach a pair or two of Hinges to the Lower side and a piece of Wire to the upper edge, hanging down to the Ground. During your operations, IF NEEDED, you can have a big Vent Hole by pulling on the wire......... At least it worked OK for us....
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bushwhacker View Post
                I got to go take a Look at the building over this weekend, There is still a Ton of Furniture and other crap inside the building, but out side of that, it looks promising. The Entire Place has been Sheet-rocked, But some places have been covered with Fiber board and some goofy wall coverings. We counted 3 possible exit doors, 2 where being used one has been very poorly covered up, the same with 2-3 windows. The one thing that does have me worried is that the "contractor" and i use that term loosely let some pretty major gaps in the Sheet-rock. I will post some pictures up in the very near future and let you guys throw your comments in.
                If you're worried about insufficient exits, that's one that's easy to take care of. Simply use whatever saw you use for demo/vent (K12, Cutter's Edge, Ventmaster, whatever) and cut the bottom of a window sill down to the sill plate on both sides. Pull that section of what out and you have a door. A sheet of plywood on a couple of hinges gives you some control over it.

                Sounds like you're doing your homework and prep work, so you're definitely on the right track.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Catch22 View Post
                  If you're worried about insufficient exits, that's one that's easy to take care of. Simply use whatever saw you use for demo/vent (K12, Cutter's Edge, Ventmaster, whatever) and cut the bottom of a window sill down to the sill plate on both sides. Pull that section of what out and you have a door. A sheet of plywood on a couple of hinges gives you some control over it.

                  Sounds like you're doing your homework and prep work, so you're definitely on the right track.
                  This is good advice.
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                  Volunteer Captain

                  -Professional in Either Role-

                  Originally posted by Rescue101
                  I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by tree_house View Post
                    It may not be a bad idea to talk to the neighbors surrounding the property and let them know that you will burning the house. That gives you a chance to see if they have any concerns that can be addressed before the burn.
                    The last one we burned the people across the street were so happy to get rid of it they threw a huge neighborhood cookout during the whole thing. We spent about half the day eating.
                    Thomas Anthony, PE
                    Structures Specialist PA-TF1 & PA-ST1
                    Paramedic / Rescue Tech North Huntington Twp EMS
                    The artist formerly known as Captain 10-2

                    No, I am not a water rescue technician, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by pasobuff View Post
                      Yep - what Box Alarm said - PLUS!!!!!

                      12 - Make sure you have either CLEAR TITLE to the property - or explicit instructions written as to how the structure will be used- I would check with the Dept attny too.....

                      13 - Make sure the owner does NOT have the property still insured - you don't need them coming after you once it is burned - OR have them try to file an insurance claim!

                      14 - only ONE burn at a time.....do not burn multiple rooms/floors
                      oh yeah since fire only burns in one room at a time.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
                        oh yeah since fire only burns in one room at a time.
                        You're kidding, right?

                        If not, you need to look into Lairdsville's experience with that.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Catch22 View Post
                          If not, you need to look into Lairdsville's experience with that.
                          And if the folks from Lairdsville had read this report from Milford, MI, where three firefighters died, maybe Lairdsville wouldn't have occured...
                          Opinions my own. Standard disclaimers apply.

                          Everyone goes home. Safety begins with you.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
                            oh yeah since fire only burns in one room at a time.
                            Really?

                            We burn one room at a time. We keep the fire contained to a certain area. It gives the FF a chance to see what goes on and a little bit of fire. When we are done with one room we overhaul it and move to the next room. Keep in mind if something happens and you don't follow 1403 you are probably pretty much up you know what creek.

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                            • #29
                              wow I had no idea at all.

                              well never acted as instructor to anything. And I thought since my department wasn't NFPA that we don't have to follow these.
                              Benton Fire District Four
                              Ladder One
                              First Due!


                              Caddo Parish Fire District 1
                              Career Firefighter/Paramedic


                              When things get rough, just say:
                              Acabo de perder cinco minutos de su vida.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FIREguy2011 View Post
                                wow I had no idea at all.

                                well never acted as instructor to anything. And I thought since my department wasn't NFPA that we don't have to follow these.
                                That's a good thing. Do some research before you go making from the hip comments about something you obviously know nothing about.
                                Career Firefighter
                                Volunteer Captain

                                -Professional in Either Role-

                                Originally posted by Rescue101
                                I don't mind fire rolling over my head. I just don't like it rolling UNDER my a**.

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