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  • Firehouse_Chick
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    Fyred,

    I made it clear that he said there are uses for it, as with car or trash fires or other misc things you could think of.

    It's true that you reduce your work and the effect of nozzle reaction by holding the nozzle out in front. But still insisting on holding the "grip" out in front of you? Still not enough leverage. Awkward and you're working against yourself. Why hold the grip? You're making it harder. Here's a well known guy from the Bronx and his brother from the Chicago area, they seem to agree with me.



    When you hold the grip in front of you, it's still not far enough in front of you to make a beneficial difference. lose the grip and you'll make it much easier for yourself.
    Last edited by Firehouse_Chick; 12-20-2010, 06:25 PM.

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  • FyredUp
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    Originally posted by Firehouse_Chick View Post
    Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback.

    It's funny, regarding your comment on the pistol grip (which is what I believe you meant by suicide knob). My brother said these are largely useless. Sometimes for car fires or misc stuff they could be used, however, when attacking a building fire he's explained many times, not to hold the line by the pristol grip (his dept only has them for trash/car fires). He said this can be telling of someones experience or lack thereof.

    Bull crap. If the nozzle person knows how to PROPERLY use a pistol grip nozzle it is like any other tool useful for some instances.

    As he put it; when doing this, you're basically placing the knob under your armpit area and allowing the nozzle reaction to get the better of you. By holding it, you have to rotate your whole body around with the nozzle. Instead, he was taught to hold the nozzle well out in front of your body.

    It seems your brother was taught incorrectly how to use a psitol grip nozzle . The nozzle AND the pistol grip should be out in front of the body NOT under your arm pit. I ask my students how they would hold a pistol and that the nozzle should be extended similarly in front of them. So sorry, but on this one your brother couldn't be more wrong.

    He let me try this, it was amazing. It reduces the amount of work you have to exert and you won't be muscling the nozzle with your whole upper body.
    He showed the difference between holding the grip while flowing a 2.5 line and then putting the nozzle way out in front of you. I could actually hold the 2.5 by myself by putting it way out in front of me!

    A well trained, and skilled, nozzle person will not be hampered by a pistol grip nozzle and they will know when it is proper to use the pistol grip and when it is better to slide their hands back onto the hoseline to control it that way. A tool improperly operated by an untrained, or improperly trained user is not to blame for difficulties experienced by that user.

    I am going to call BS on you controlling a 2 1/2 inch line by yourself flowing anywhere near the standard FDNY flow of 263 gpm at 50 psi at the nozzle. You may have controlled a 2 1/2 inch line by yourself but I would bet it was underpumped to make it easier to handle.
    try and live a little bit in the real world. it is really kind of fun here.
    Last edited by FyredUp; 12-20-2010, 06:13 PM.

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  • mtg55
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    Originally posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    I have to agree. I was holding out on the possibility that (s)he was just that clueless but the troll theory looks better and better with every new post.
    Agreed. All in favor signify by saying "I"?

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  • DeputyMarshal
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    This entire thread is predicated on one giant lie.
    I have to agree. I was holding out on the possibility that (s)he was just that clueless but the troll theory looks better and better with every new post.

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  • BULL321
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    We have a winner!

    Time for this person to come clean!

    Bull, are you a detective??
    No I'm just a straight leg Patrol Sgt. but my wife is!

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  • BULL321
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    Originally posted by Firehouse_Chick View Post
    But my questions are not about me, they're regarding the stated topic.
    Any other opinions, everyone has been helpful. Thanks, so far I'm learning a lot!
    I now officially declare you full of crap!

    There is no way that you are a 15 year old child. You known just to much about the subject matter that you "just asking questions about" because you are trying to learn. You are a TROLL!

    Who knew that Crowbar was a cross dressing pedofile?

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by mtg55 View Post
    Hahaha, nah. Workin on the house. I WAS on your side of the border yesterday, the guards musta been sleepin
    Probably just drunk.

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  • mtg55
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    A week off?

    Sheesh, are they going soft at the salt mines?

    Hope you were somewhere warm.
    Hahaha, nah. Workin on the house. I WAS on your side of the border yesterday, the guards musta been sleepin

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by mtg55 View Post
    Man, I take a week off and the pups take over? Where'd I leave that rolled up newspaper.....
    A week off?

    Sheesh, are they going soft at the salt mines?

    Hope you were somewhere warm.

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  • mtg55
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    Man, I take a week off and the pups take over? Where'd I leave that rolled up newspaper.....

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  • ChiefKN
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    This entire thread is predicated on one giant lie.

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  • Firehouse_Chick
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    Originally posted by Nozzle nut 22 View Post
    I like mine with butter!


    My opinion is, they both work. I'll choose the one with the lowest reaction, and the fewest gizmos and gew gaws on it. It needs to be rugged as hell, extremely hard to clog, and operate in an intuitive fashion. In other words firefighter-hopped-up-on-adrenaline proof. No suicide knobs or other multiple control options.

    Personally, I prefer a smoothbore. Lots of flow, a low nozzle pressure for less reaction, and exactly 1 control- an on and off. Unlike an automatic, you get instant feedback of pressure/flow problems. The solid slug of water tends to have more penetrating power and is less vulnerable to high heat.

    If I do get a fog tip, I prefer a fixed gallonage/low pressure model. These also have the benefit of a reduced nozzle reaction, and the larger droplet size they create is also less vulnerable to high heat.
    Thanks for all the thoughtful feedback.

    It's funny, regarding your comment on the pistol grip (which is what I believe you meant by suicide knob). My brother said these are largely useless. Sometimes for car fires or misc stuff they could be used, however, when attacking a building fire he's explained many times, not to hold the line by the pristol grip (his dept only has them for trash/car fires). He said this can be telling of someones experience or lack thereof.

    As he put it; when doing this, you're basically placing the knob under your armpit area and allowing the nozzle reaction to get the better of you. By holding it, you have to rotate your whole body around with the nozzle. Instead, he was taught to hold the nozzle well out in front of your body.

    He let me try this, it was amazing. It reduces the amount of work you have to exert and you won't be muscling the nozzle with your whole upper body.
    He showed the difference between holding the grip while flowing a 2.5 line and then putting the nozzle way out in front of you. I could actually hold the 2.5 by myself by putting it way out in front of me!

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  • Nozzle nut 22
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    Originally posted by tfpd109 View Post
    Wait! I have to get the popcorn ready for this one!


    Ok, now I'm ready...
    I like mine with butter!


    My opinion is, they both work. I'll choose the one with the lowest reaction, and the fewest gizmos and gew gaws on it. It needs to be rugged as hell, extremely hard to clog, and operate in an intuitive fashion. In other words firefighter-hopped-up-on-adrenaline proof. No suicide knobs or other multiple control options.

    Personally, I prefer a smoothbore. Lots of flow, a low nozzle pressure for less reaction, and exactly 1 control- an on and off. Unlike an automatic, you get instant feedback of pressure/flow problems. The solid slug of water tends to have more penetrating power and is less vulnerable to high heat.

    If I do get a fog tip, I prefer a fixed gallonage/low pressure model. These also have the benefit of a reduced nozzle reaction, and the larger droplet size they create is also less vulnerable to high heat.

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  • Firehouse_Chick
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Yea, right...

    Lame.
    How so? They still in school over in Jersey Chief?

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by Firehouse_Chick View Post
    Christmas vacation
    Yea, right...

    Lame.

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