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    I know I've heard the term "salad bowl" get used a few times around here in reference to helmets. I don't remember from the context, but I want to clarify the meaning of the term in my mind: Does "salad bowl" refer specifically to one type or style (modern or traditional) of helmet, or just to helmets in general?
    -Justin J. "JJR512" Rebbert

    The comments and opinions I express are solely my own and do not necessarily represent those of any employer or volunteer organization with which I am associated. Nobody is responsible for anything I say other than I alone.

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    Modern, plastic/fiberglass

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    • #3
      Salad bowl aka Devo hat

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      • #4
        Typically of the rounded variety. As opposed to the traditional big helment and brim variety.
        Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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        • #5
          And.............

          Another Term, one that was directed at Southern California's Bell Helmet in particular, was "Tactical Tupperware".......... The Traditional Style (1010s, etc.) are designed to look like Leather, but they're made of a number of different materials. The "Salad Bowl" isn't designed to look like anything, just a smooth blob. The one in my Avatar is a 1010. The photo below is a Collapse Rescue from a few months back, and shows the variety in this area, everything from Sam Houstons,and Ben Franklins to 880 Metros. The Tech Rescue Teams tend to use a Pacific Helmet like the one I'm wearing. (I'm the one closest to the Camera).
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          • #6
            I've used both.

            IMO, the "salad bowl" is a much more practical, all around helmet, especially if the department responds to a large number of brush incidents, such as my department. The traditional style is simply too heavy and not practical for brush operations and honestly, isn't overly practical for extrication or technical rescue operations.

            In addition, the price is an issue especially when the cost of a front plate is factored in. You can easily purchase 2, if not 3, salad bowls for the cost of one traditional with a front plate.

            If I had my choice, we would issue the LA City style Phoenix as that looks like an excellent all-around helmet.

            Now, if your department has the finances to purchase and issue multiple helmets for multiple tasks ...
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            • #7
              Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
              In addition, the price is an issue especially when the cost of a front plate is factored in. You can easily purchase 2, if not 3, salad bowls for the cost of one traditional with a front plate.

              If I had my choice, we would issue the LA City style Phoenix as that looks like an excellent all-around helmet.

              Not quite true. From Thefirestore.com:

              Coway American Classic (composite traditional) w/leather front $238

              Conway Legacy 5 $170

              Phenix 1500 w/faceshield $181
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              • #8
                Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                I've used both.

                IMO, the "salad bowl" is a much more practical, all around helmet, especially if the department responds to a large number of brush incidents, such as my department. The traditional style is simply too heavy and not practical for brush operations and honestly, isn't overly practical for extrication or technical rescue operations.

                In addition, the price is an issue especially when the cost of a front plate is factored in. You can easily purchase 2, if not 3, salad bowls for the cost of one traditional with a front plate.

                If I had my choice, we would issue the LA City style Phoenix as that looks like an excellent all-around helmet.

                Now, if your department has the finances to purchase and issue multiple helmets for multiple tasks ...
                Thanks everyone for the answers.

                I have my own Cairns 1000 that I bought myself. I prefer the look of the traditional style (which is odd for me because in most other aspects of life, I prefer modernism), but didn't actually want real leather. I mainly just wanted to make sure I knew what the term meant.

                My department issues "salad bowls". I don't recall the brand or model. The department also provides "rescue helmets" or "special ops helmets" (I believe it's actually the same kind of helmet, which some people refer to as "rescue" and others as "SO"). These helmets are kind of like skater helmets with vents. I forget the brand, but it starts with a 'P'...Looking quickly over at thefirestore.com, the name "Petzl" loudly rings a bell, and looking at their products, I'm pretty sure it's the Petzl ECRIN ROC model that my department is using. Frankly, it doesn't look like it provides much protection.
                -Justin J. "JJR512" Rebbert

                The comments and opinions I express are solely my own and do not necessarily represent those of any employer or volunteer organization with which I am associated. Nobody is responsible for anything I say other than I alone.

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                • #9
                  Salad Bowl Helmet

                  I think this is a Salad Bowl Helmet....
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Capt387 View Post
                    Not quite true. From Thefirestore.com:

                    Coway American Classic (composite traditional) w/leather front $238

                    Conway Legacy 5 $170

                    Phenix 1500 w/faceshield $181
                    That's a pretty good price.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LaFireEducator View Post
                      That's a pretty good price.

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                      FS EVERYday price. It pays to shop. T.c.

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                      • #12
                        Maybe this would fit the subject...



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JJR512 View Post
                          My department issues "salad bowls". I don't recall the brand or model. The department also provides "rescue helmets" or "special ops helmets" (I believe it's actually the same kind of helmet, which some people refer to as "rescue" and others as "SO"). These helmets are kind of like skater helmets with vents. I forget the brand, but it starts with a 'P'...Looking quickly over at thefirestore.com, the name "Petzl" loudly rings a bell, and looking at their products, I'm pretty sure it's the Petzl ECRIN ROC model that my department is using. Frankly, it doesn't look like it provides much protection.
                          The Petzl Ecrin Roc is a rock climbing helmet designed for low impact protection. They do make an industrial version without the vent holes as well.
                          They are actually a really comfortable mid weight helmet to wear and can take quite a few good knocks before you start to worry about them. THe best thing about the ecrin roc is how easy the ratchet system is to adjust on the fly so if you have to wear a cap underneath on a cold night it takes less than a second to adjust unlike other helmets.
                          I wear one of these as a climbing/canyoning/caving guide on my days off, have upgraded to a lighter Petzl "climbing" helmet with a foam liner for my recreational climbing (about half the weight but not as much head coverage especially on the side above the ear)

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                          • #14
                            Here is a salad bowl.
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                            • #15
                              Do you prefer your salad cooked or raw?
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                              Opinions expressed are mine alone, and do not necessarily reflect those of the Philadelphia Fire Department and/or IAFF Local 22.

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