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  • Rescue101
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    Originally posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    Reads like; a) you think a hook is exclusive to a truck, b) you don't think a hose team needs hand tools. Surely you don't mean that either way.

    If an engine knows it is going to have to pull a tall ceiling, like in a mercantile building, to check for extension then they better bring a damn tool that will reach. In a house you can get away with that worthless closet hook, or even yank some ceiling with a halligan. After you make knockdown you can't just sit and wait for a truck to show up to pull ceiling for you. They might be venting, rescuing, or still arriving.
    ENGINE pull a ceiling? Tell me you're kidding. Even HERE,it's TWO distinct functions. Biggest tool the eng co carries MIGHT be a halligan or an axe. T.C.

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  • FiremanLyman
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    Originally posted by Jonnee View Post
    The back up member on the line, better not have a hook in their hands. That is a truck company function and a back up member on a hand line is doing a engine company function and therefore doesn't had the time to be carrying a hook.
    Reads like; a) you think a hook is exclusive to a truck, b) you don't think a hose team needs hand tools. Surely you don't mean that either way.

    If an engine knows it is going to have to pull a tall ceiling, like in a mercantile building, to check for extension then they better bring a damn tool that will reach. In a house you can get away with that worthless closet hook, or even yank some ceiling with a halligan. After you make knockdown you can't just sit and wait for a truck to show up to pull ceiling for you. They might be venting, rescuing, or still arriving.

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  • Jonnee
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    Originally posted by ffmedcbk1 View Post
    if the back up man not able to get the hook up to the front to do this, just take your stream and blow off tiles with a quick burst as you go.

    i suggest open up above every time you pass a door or a break in the tiles (rafters and beams).

    The back up member on the line, better not have a hook in their hands. That is a truck company function and a back up member on a hand line is doing a engine company function and therefore doesn't had the time to be carrying a hook.

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  • bigkid325
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    Aaaaaahhhhh!!!

    Totally agree with the comment on the fire above or around you. Was first due on a strip mall fire in my tiny tiny town where it almost happened to my crew. The Alpha - Delta corner store(dry cleaners) was fully charged with smoke when we went in so couldn't see nuthin. Ended up the clothing carousel and the main store were divided by a wall running half the length of the store. I was moving to the back of the building with the attack line while unknown to us, the fire was burning up the clothing carousel to the front on the other side of the wall. Thankfully my back up spotted it before we got in too deep And yes it burned up into the attic as well. Don't know if this helps bro but I thought I'd share.

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  • ffmedcbk1
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    Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    I don't know why know has mentioned it in 2 pages, but no one has mentioned THE most dangerous thing about strip mall fires and other occupancies with drop ceiling:

    Occupancies with drop ceilings have the ability to conceal significant amounts of smoke and fire in the space between the ceiling tiles and the roof. It is very easy for fire to be over or behind you.

    My number one rule for these type of occupancies is either on AA's or reports of fire with nothing showing:

    Lift a ceiling tile as soon as, or even before entering the door with a pike pole to see what the conditions are in the space between the tiles and the roof.

    if the back up man not able to get the hook up to the front to do this, just take your stream and blow off tiles with a quick burst as you go.

    i suggest open up above every time you pass a door or a break in the tiles (rafters and beams).

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  • PaladinKnight
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    So Slack... the truth finally comes out.

    You're just as human as the rest of us poor old souls. And old and used up to boot.

    Join the club brother... join the club.

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  • slackjawedyokel
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    Didnt mean to take the fun out of it - lack of practice and age have diminished my skills. Im sure though in about two weeks ,ill wake up at 3AM with a good zinger. Oh well - And on the addition aspect - italso seems that usually the more add ons ,the cheaper the construction that is used in them.

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  • nameless
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    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    And to add something constructive to this subject -- one trait of mini mall type buildings is you may have two very different (amount/ type/ configuration) of fire loads seperated by a just partition wall.
    well, that is if the building hasn't been subdivided after businesses move. You can have that same situation without a firewall if a large business moves out and they divide the space between smaller businesses.


    A lot of these buildings also have additions added over time.


    and that was pretty weak, you took the fun out of it.

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  • PaladinKnight
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    I have heard some lame excuses before, but blaming it on coffee?????

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  • hwoods
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    Hey!!............

    Originally posted by FirehouseEvents View Post
    On March 1 Michael Daley will be teaching Firefighting Operations in Strip Malls and Taxpayers. Complete details at http://www.firehouseworld.com/fhw/events_tuesday.po

    Is This Spam???............












    Sorry, I just had to do it...........

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  • hwoods
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    Man, Oh Man.................

    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
    Snowball -- I know ----that was weak - best I could do on one cup of coffe.

    I'm Sorry Sir, You must have confused us with The Watch Desk................

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  • slackjawedyokel
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    Snowball -- I know ----that was weak - best I could do on one cup of coffe.

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  • slackjawedyokel
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    And to add something constructive to this subject -- one trait of mini mall type buildings is you may have two very different (amount/ type/ configuration) of fire loads seperated by a just partition wall.

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  • snowball
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    Originally posted by slackjawedyokel
    Nameless-- you wouldnt have numerous fires if your mom would put the matches out of your reach. That would also solve that pesky bed wetting problem you seem to have.
    You can do better than that.

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  • MarcusKspn
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    Originally posted by FiremanLyman View Post
    This!

    Never go past fire or let fire get behind you. Punching a hole in the ceiling right inside the doorway os also a good practice on any one story structure.
    Agree, we make this a practice on any single story structure, commercial or residential. Poke a hole in the ceiling and make sure the fire is not running over your head.

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