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  • #31
    Hey!!............

    Originally posted by FirehouseEvents View Post
    On March 1 Michael Daley will be teaching Firefighting Operations in Strip Malls and Taxpayers. Complete details at http://www.firehouseworld.com/fhw/events_tuesday.po

    Is This Spam???............












    Sorry, I just had to do it...........
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    • #32
      I have heard some lame excuses before, but blaming it on coffee?????
      HAVE PLAN.............WILL TRAVEL

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      • #33
        Originally posted by slackjawedyokel View Post
        And to add something constructive to this subject -- one trait of mini mall type buildings is you may have two very different (amount/ type/ configuration) of fire loads seperated by a just partition wall.
        well, that is if the building hasn't been subdivided after businesses move. You can have that same situation without a firewall if a large business moves out and they divide the space between smaller businesses.


        A lot of these buildings also have additions added over time.


        and that was pretty weak, you took the fun out of it.

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        • #34
          Didnt mean to take the fun out of it - lack of practice and age have diminished my skills. Im sure though in about two weeks ,ill wake up at 3AM with a good zinger. Oh well - And on the addition aspect - italso seems that usually the more add ons ,the cheaper the construction that is used in them.
          ?

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          • #35
            So Slack... the truth finally comes out.

            You're just as human as the rest of us poor old souls. And old and used up to boot.

            Join the club brother... join the club.
            HAVE PLAN.............WILL TRAVEL

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            • #36
              Originally posted by MemphisE34a View Post
              I don't know why know has mentioned it in 2 pages, but no one has mentioned THE most dangerous thing about strip mall fires and other occupancies with drop ceiling:

              Occupancies with drop ceilings have the ability to conceal significant amounts of smoke and fire in the space between the ceiling tiles and the roof. It is very easy for fire to be over or behind you.

              My number one rule for these type of occupancies is either on AA's or reports of fire with nothing showing:

              Lift a ceiling tile as soon as, or even before entering the door with a pike pole to see what the conditions are in the space between the tiles and the roof.

              if the back up man not able to get the hook up to the front to do this, just take your stream and blow off tiles with a quick burst as you go.

              i suggest open up above every time you pass a door or a break in the tiles (rafters and beams).
              Originally Posted by madden01
              "and everyone is encouraged to use Plain, Spelled Out English. I thought this was covered in NIMS training."

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              • #37
                Aaaaaahhhhh!!!

                Totally agree with the comment on the fire above or around you. Was first due on a strip mall fire in my tiny tiny town where it almost happened to my crew. The Alpha - Delta corner store(dry cleaners) was fully charged with smoke when we went in so couldn't see nuthin. Ended up the clothing carousel and the main store were divided by a wall running half the length of the store. I was moving to the back of the building with the attack line while unknown to us, the fire was burning up the clothing carousel to the front on the other side of the wall. Thankfully my back up spotted it before we got in too deep And yes it burned up into the attic as well. Don't know if this helps bro but I thought I'd share.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ffmedcbk1 View Post
                  if the back up man not able to get the hook up to the front to do this, just take your stream and blow off tiles with a quick burst as you go.

                  i suggest open up above every time you pass a door or a break in the tiles (rafters and beams).

                  The back up member on the line, better not have a hook in their hands. That is a truck company function and a back up member on a hand line is doing a engine company function and therefore doesn't had the time to be carrying a hook.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Jonnee View Post
                    The back up member on the line, better not have a hook in their hands. That is a truck company function and a back up member on a hand line is doing a engine company function and therefore doesn't had the time to be carrying a hook.
                    Reads like; a) you think a hook is exclusive to a truck, b) you don't think a hose team needs hand tools. Surely you don't mean that either way.

                    If an engine knows it is going to have to pull a tall ceiling, like in a mercantile building, to check for extension then they better bring a damn tool that will reach. In a house you can get away with that worthless closet hook, or even yank some ceiling with a halligan. After you make knockdown you can't just sit and wait for a truck to show up to pull ceiling for you. They might be venting, rescuing, or still arriving.
                    ~Drew
                    Firefighter/EMT/Technical Rescue
                    USAR TF Rescue Specialist

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by FiremanLyman View Post
                      Reads like; a) you think a hook is exclusive to a truck, b) you don't think a hose team needs hand tools. Surely you don't mean that either way.

                      If an engine knows it is going to have to pull a tall ceiling, like in a mercantile building, to check for extension then they better bring a damn tool that will reach. In a house you can get away with that worthless closet hook, or even yank some ceiling with a halligan. After you make knockdown you can't just sit and wait for a truck to show up to pull ceiling for you. They might be venting, rescuing, or still arriving.
                      ENGINE pull a ceiling? Tell me you're kidding. Even HERE,it's TWO distinct functions. Biggest tool the eng co carries MIGHT be a halligan or an axe. T.C.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Rescue101 View Post
                        ENGINE pull a ceiling? Tell me you're kidding. Even HERE,it's TWO distinct functions. Biggest tool the eng co carries MIGHT be a halligan or an axe. T.C.
                        Agreed, two distinct functions. But a good engine company is not going to sit there and wait for a truck to come pull ceiling to check for extension in the first minute after knockdown. In most residentials it is easy, either you pull the ceiling or walls with with a halligan / axe / closet hook or the truck will be right behind you. In a strip mall... usually our truck is still venting or forcing a dozen doors throughout the strip center. Having a pike with you is not that hard, we carry two on the engine anyways.
                        ~Drew
                        Firefighter/EMT/Technical Rescue
                        USAR TF Rescue Specialist

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by FiremanLyman View Post
                          Agreed, two distinct functions. But a good engine company is not going to sit there and wait for a truck to come pull ceiling to check for extension in the first minute after knockdown. In most residentials it is easy, either you pull the ceiling or walls with with a halligan / axe / closet hook or the truck will be right behind you. In a strip mall... usually our truck is still venting or forcing a dozen doors throughout the strip center. Having a pike with you is not that hard, we carry two on the engine anyways.
                          Couldn't tell you,it DOESN'T happen HERE. Second Engine MIGHT get assigned TRUCK work,but the primary Engine doesn't pull ceilings. Period. If that doesn't work for you,that's fine.In the close to half a century I can't think of a time we were ever unable to accomplish both tasks in a timely manner. T.C.
                          Last edited by Rescue101; 11-21-2010, 08:56 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by FiremanLyman View Post
                            Agreed, two distinct functions. But a good engine company is not going to sit there and wait for a truck to come pull ceiling to check for extension in the first minute after knockdown. In most residentials it is easy, either you pull the ceiling or walls with with a halligan / axe / closet hook or the truck will be right behind you. In a strip mall... usually our truck is still venting or forcing a dozen doors throughout the strip center. Having a pike with you is not that hard, we carry two on the engine anyways.
                            just because you do it that way doesnt make it right. and having a hook w you while backing up someone on a 2 1/2" isnt just hard, its stupid.


                            BTW, our engines do just fine. Maybe you just need better trucks.
                            Last edited by nyckftbl; 11-20-2010, 10:06 PM.
                            Proud East Coast Traditionalist.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by nyckftbl View Post
                              just because you do it that way doesnt make it right. and having a hook w you while backing up someone on a 2 1/2" isnt just hard, its stupid.
                              I think he may have been talking about a third or fourth guy on the hook brother. They probably don't use smoothbore either so the hose is easier to handle with 2.
                              IAFF

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by snowball View Post
                                I think he may have been talking about a third or fourth guy on the hook brother. They probably don't use smoothbore either so the hose is easier to handle with 2.
                                Ahh...explains having to open up quicker....takes longer to put the fire out.
                                Proud East Coast Traditionalist.

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